Can we get a rework of healers for 6.0

[Gemina]

Of course not "all of it" is factored in. Even Ultimate isn't balanced around total perfection.

SE would never release a statement around the math that says healer dps is literally part of the equation that's fine. They aren't balancing around optimal WHM dps any more than they are with BLM. Requiring actual perfection isn't feasible but if you want an e8s clear the devs have sent a clear message - no curebots.

I never didn't acknowledge it. I just use an age old statement because it was the last one used regarding any kind of formula factoring raid damage, and people lose their minds. I am not going to take fault for everyone's overreaction and beating dead horses. All I was trying to do was mention a possible constriction with adding abilities mid-expansion. As for never releasing such a statement, that is your observation. I can accept that he would never release such a statement, again. It was him who said something along the lines of taking a certain amount of DPS (I can't remember if it is an average, what the testers are doing, or w/e) and reducing this number to about 80% of that.

I don't need logs for recent savage because I can't even clear Shiva Unreal on a healer without DPSing, and have quickly faulted myself when doing high-end duties if I derp somewhere in the fight and we miss enrage by <1%. Everything about this tells me that healer DPS is indeed factored into clears; however, this doesn't doesn't allow me to conclude that Yoshi's previous statement is no longer true, or never was.

My own thoughts are that SE likely didn't want players coming down on healers. It's almost like they treat healers the way an over-protective, overbearing mother does, so they said that their DPS when factoring checks was completely left out. Perhaps the number they reduce overall rDPS by to make it clearable is around what average healers put out, so they just went with it. I don't know. That's just guesswork based on my own observations.