Bozja feedback thread

[Shougun]

I whole heartedly disagree, I really don't care that Bozja has other stuff. Eureka did too, and amazingly everything there still gave you progression towards your relic. Bozja is the main content, everything in Bozja is literally based around the relics, their lore, their everything. The zone is there because of the relics. And you're saying the people who refuse to do the main content, should be rewarded for refusing to do it? And the people who do choose to do it should be punished just because it has lock boxes and bozjan clusters that give you more stuff. Lock boxes btw which are also wicked RNG that 9/10 give you absolute garbage. That's your stance? That would be like them giving people an alternative way of getting things for PVP lets say, and making the non pvp way 10x easier. It makes literally 0 sense. I've done Zodiac, I've done Anima, and I did Eureka. And I'm all for giving people a seperate option, but that option shouldn't be superior or better in any way. They made the content for the relic, if you refuse to do it then thats on you. But again, I also don't think the FATE grinding should go back to Atma farming. If you get gold on a FATE outside, you get one. If you get gold on a fate inside you should get one. Thinking thats unreasonable blows my mind.

Not sure how you can't find any sense in the logical argument of the math side of it. If you've got two activities one does two things one does one thing it is natural that there is some sort of difference in them. In every game ever there is an intent to balance activities and their rewards. If you've two levers and they both give the same z reward but one gives the x reward then naturally you'll do the one that gives you both. Now I know you've the added argument on how easy FATEs are and how bad the balance is on the Bozja lever, and I've even agreed the balance is off- but I'm bewildered that you can't fathom a situation where you'd want to make the lever that provides less diversity provides more on what it does actually do.

"But BOZJA IS THE CONTENT". I hear you, but the devs purposefully made an out for players - so you're not arguing with me you're arguing with the devs. Bozja and relic are not bound together like Eureka was. You may not like it, but that is the state of the matter.

Therefore it doesn't make sense to make one lever terrible and another lever superior because in the eyes of SE, at least so I'm arguing, both are very valid levers. Again already agreed Bozja's lever could use some buffs, but there is absolutely logic and reason to that the relic FATE lever is not worse than the Bozja one. Because again, SE determined you don't have to greatly invest into Bozja in order to progress your relic (at least so far). The FATE isn't some charity at this time, it's an entirely valid progression (and Bozja is more like the charity . . . lol, it provides other bonuses but it's way too weak on the relic side for the balance to make sense, once it gets a bit of a buff though I think it would be an entirely fair and balanced relationship).

The issue is your frame of reference is not to what they were doing and so you're having trouble seeing why they did what they did, you're framing that Bozja must be the best way to level relic (in all steps, I'm assuming this is going to flip flop over time) - this is largely based off your personal desires and Eureka. SE clearly doesn't agree at this time. The relationship Eureka and relic had is no longer as strong with Bozja, and that was by intention. Now Relic is Relic which may utalize many different systems for progression, the reward for doing Bozja can be relic but is not limited / exclusive to it. This doesn't mean you're wrong if you don't like what SE intended but that you say there is no logic to attempt to balance the reward and rates out is wrong. It's pretty clear that they entirely and full heartedly intended relic to not need a tight relationship with Bozja grinding, and they've done so, and they've said so- there is absolutely sense in suggestion that the option of just FATEs would have a benefit over the option of lock boxes + FATES. Mathematically in terms of calculating reward, it has pure sense to ensure each option is balanced.

Only getting one reward but faster is fair in comparison to getting two rewards and one of them being exclusive to that content, assuming they buff Bozja's drop rate a bit (as again I'm not defending how low it is, but that there is a superiority to FATEs as it is the one and only thing you really get from doing that.. makes absolute sense). If they disrupted this relationship such that FATEs had a lower or equal efficacy to Bozja meanwhile Bozja also comes with special rewards then it would be obvious that the secondary option was a charity / half hearted imbalanced option because they want to force you to do a specific content. Again your frame of reference is you must be doing Bozja for relic as the best option (including lock boxes makes it the best if they're equal), SE is of the mind that you can absolutely do relic without too much effort in Bozja and have balanced it as such. When you shift your frame to the intention, likely, of their goal the logical is incredibly sound (once you buff Bozja a bit), and if you don't want to shift your frame because you hate it that's fine, there are things I dislike in this game too, but the logic of why there is a difference in this situation exists and is very easy to follow so long as you accept they've no intention to force Bozja or even offer 'half options'.

Lever A gives you 1 apple.
Lever B gives you 1 apple and 2 lemons.

Not balanced. This is what you're saying Bozja has to be otherwise there is "no logic". Even though it's clear SE has come with the intention of not binding relic that tightly to Bozja unlike what they did with Eureka.

Lever A gives you 2 apples.
Lever B gives you 1 apple and 2 lemons.

Depending on value of the lemon this can be a very fair trade. If you've played any board game ever you'll be familiar with this relationship. Now you may prefer the lever be a concession rather than an earnest option (first example is a concession, is not balanced), but the logic is absolutely there to argue for the second example (trade offs).

[SamSmoot]

I just wish they had included the Shadowbringers FATEs. I still need to finish the shared FATEs for three of them. It would be nice to grind two things at once.

[SieyaM]

I still haven't been able to play Bozja yet, I was going to last night but ended up not having time. It is sounding like people who are able to get into the Critical engagements are having a good time and people who maybe are not quite as lucky and get much fewer or even in some cases none are having trouble seeing any real value in Bozja. Now my personal concern is that I will not be able to rank up in the zone, because I hear that the skirmishes are being completed much too quickly for new players in the instance to get to them and there is no other way of earning rank.

[Dreamsoap]

You really don't feel progression here in the front. I mean at least in eureka you felt progression from grinding. It is way better doing fates elsewhere for memories for relic weapon upgrades. I get people don't want to go to Borzja but ySE kind of made one method easier than the other which is pretty messed up. It definitely is broken on that part.

I'm a huge fan of eureka and this is my current issue with Bozja. We never really felt like anything we fought was a threat, thus when we got much higher in rank and dealt with the same things there was no immediate difference that showed for our progress. I'm starting to wonder who Bozja was really made for because it seems to have a lot of design elements that were directly addressing the criticsm from the camp that hated eureka, but it gave them an option to do not do Bozja anyway. So the only people who are left with it are the ones who enjoyed everything about eureka everyone else hated, but get next to none of those aspects in this content.

[Hanayumi]

Only thing a bit disappointed with is the difficulty and grind, its way too easy... Got past rank 10 in about a day (wouldve tried castrum but not quite enough people) then finshed off the rest of the mats with the HW fates, nothing to it really. Do love the critical engagements, best thing about bozja so far, basically savage Fates, but once again a bit too easy, a lot of these bosses get burned down very fast. In the future, A) would like to see relic content much much earlier in expac, X.1/X.2 ish. B) Needs a bit more of the older relic grind.

[ToniRomo]

How do I do the rank 10 dungeon? Does it randomly pop? Or does it require organization on things like Discord and queueing somehow?

[Infindox]

How do I do the rank 10 dungeon? Does it randomly pop? Or does it require organization on things like Discord and queueing somehow?

How it's supposed to work is if you have a certain amount of people in your instance that have it unlocked, it should pop up in the Critical Engagements menu. Unfortunately since everyone gets thrown into an instance regardless of level, you can have something happen where only maybe 10 people can actually go in. Which is definitely not enough to beat it. Hopefully more people start getting to Rank 10 so the CE fills.

[ToniRomo]

How it's supposed to work is if you have a certain amount of people in your instance that have it unlocked, it should pop up in the Critical Engagements menu. Unfortunately since everyone gets thrown into an instance regardless of level, you can have something happen where only maybe 10 people can actually go in. Which is definitely not enough to beat it. Hopefully more people start getting to Rank 10 so the CE fills.

Thanks will keep an eye out for it popping later then!

[OvernightSiren]

I don't think it has to be superior to FATEs, I think you get a lot more value out of doing it within Bozja and so it could even be slightly less efficient on that one aspect, but I do think it should be like at least 75-90% as efficient. Such that if you wanted to loose all other benefits going for you, but not have to deal with Eureka 2.0 for whatever reason you may have then you could and it would be a decent choice, but if you liked Eureka 2.0 it would also be a good choice (get the lock boxes and other things special to Bozja).

They should at least be on par, and if there's going to be a disparity between the two it shouldn't be quite this severe.

I did Bozja for 2-3 hours last night and got 5 memories. I did HW fates today and got the remaining 55 in 2 hours, tops.

The disparity is so large that there's functionally no reason to do Bozja for the relic. And as someone like myself, who already has all the battle jobs at 80, that leaves little else to be gained from Bozja. Sure, there are mounts and minions but that's about it--and those aren't even market prohibited so I could literally buy the Gabriel mount on my server right now for just 3 million gil, and I'm sure it'll only get cheaper as the days progress.

So for me, and a lot of other players who already have all their jobs leveled, why should I even bother with new content when they've made it so much easier to do it by easier means?

[OvernightSiren]

I think this is the main intention behind it the developers thought.

Doing it by HW fates alone means you do nothing but the relic (and maybe a bit of exp.)
Whereas doing it in Bozja you can work on increasing your rank for future Bozja content, get tremendous amounts of exp for any 71-79 jobs you have, get tomestones(skirmishes & critical engagements award some), lockboxes filled with rare minions & mounts, enjoy a new zone we haven't seen 1000x over by now, engage in fights that are much more fun than any HW fate (Red Comet & the Castrum were amazing fun), all the while working on your relic, while something most important to me: doing it at level 80 with my full toolkit instead of syncing down constantly.

Doing it by Bozja gives far more bang for your buck for time spent overall, but if someone truly doesn't care for it and doesn't mind getting locked out of future Bozja content and won't regret it later, then the alternative path is there for them.

But the time it takes to do the HW fates to get them is so much shorter that you're not actually wasting that much time by getting the memories from HW fates. Literally 2 hours is all it took to get all my memories today. Compare that to Bozja where after 2 hours I had 5 memories to show for myself. The disparity between difficulty is simply far too wide otherwise the new content has no purpose for people who already have their jobs at 80.