Toxic healers

[Lumivyory]

It's ok. I'll be sure to have you kicked for wasting everyone's time if you single pull a late game dungeon. You refusing to get better on tank is directly harming my experience and is against my playstyle, so I have every right.

You'll get it eventually. <3

Being "better" at tanking doesn't magically prevent you from dying on big pulls. Lag, delay, lack of available CDs, not in line of sight for the healer or any other unexpected event can cause a wipe.
There is nothing to get better at even. As long as no monster is hitting others, you use CDs and you're not spinning them around like crazy - you're good at tanking because that's the whole job. "Big pulls" isn't in the job description.
You're not the special snowflake to decide for every single party member on the pace of the run.

You forcing me into your playstyle is harming my experience then, should we do a votekick war? That's ridiculous and pretty damn toxic. Chat exists, you know.
If I get kicked out of a party of elitist people like you I'll be damn happy I didn't have to put up with this til the end of the dungeon so feel free.

[LaughingBanana]

Being "better" at tanking doesn't magically prevent you from dying on big pulls. Lag, delay, lack of available CDs, not in line of sight for the healer or any other unexpected event can cause a wipe.
There is nothing to get better at even. As long as no monster is hitting others, you use CDs and you're not spinning them around like crazy - you're good at tanking because that's the whole job. "Big pulls" isn't in the job description.
You're not the special snowflake to decide for every single party member on the pace of the run.

You forcing me into your playstyle is harming my experience then, should we do a votekick war? That's ridiculous and pretty damn toxic. Chat exists, you know.
If I get kicked out of a party of elitist people like you I'll be damn happy I didn't have to put up with this til the end of the dungeon so feel free.

It's not even 'big pulls'... we're talking about Tanks pulling only one pack (usually 3 enemies) at one time at high level dungeon... That is not really a playstyle that should be commended since yes, it's a waste of everyone's time. It's not like pulling 2 packs instead of just 1 is making it more difficult or anything...

[Reinha]

You're not the special snowflake to decide for every single party member on the pace of the run.

This applies to tanks too. If the healer and both dps are running ahead and 3 manning everything, the tank needs to stop sightseeing and start being useful. 1 pack and 2 packs is the same tank rotation and healing requirements are pathetic even in leveling dungeons.

[Buumee]

Yah. I've never cared when toxic people call me toxic. It's really just projection. Funny how that works, huh?

No one called you toxic for simply wanting bigger pulls.

Things that are not toxic;
- Wanting bigger pulls/fast dungeon
- Wanting players to improve and know how to do their jobs to make your experience and others enjoyable
- Getting annoyed with a player with the sufficient skill/gear intentionally slowing down a dungeon

Things that are toxic;
- The god complex of expecting players (Tanks in this case) to bend at your whims or meet your trusty ol' Vote Kick
- Kicking players due to sub-par performance in Dungeons no less which is a bit overkill (This isn't Savages/Ultimates)
- Thinking that every tank that happens to not or unable to wall to wall is intentionally there out to get you for the sake of wasting your time

Unfortunately there's a huge disparity between the reality of things vs your expectations.

Let's face it, for the average player hitting 80 is trivial, but to know your role and job itself takes time that can only be gained through experience.
It may be inconceivable, but what you or I find trivial may be a dream to the next and the notion that everyone knows their job at 80 is a fantasy. With more than 20 million almost 1 mil subscribed accounts you will get countless of players of different age, skill, knowledge, and aptitude for gaming. Some may be veterans to some where it's their first MMO ever to experience the first time.
What may take 30 minutes on a training dummy or in a guide, or simply running into a dungeon to learn a job/role can take months for the next player.
For me, everything in the game outside of never attempting Ultimates have been easy which may most likely be the case for you as well.
E8S to this day is a super easy fight, so long as the farm party doesn't become another LR prog due to other players.
The hardest thing I've ever encountered in this game was probably help teach an FC mate how to properly DPS (yes you read that correctly).

If it's a scenario where a Tank has the capability to do big pulls and 3 other members want to go fast, I could almost agree with you. In any other scenario such as where they weren't comfortable, didn't have the gear, still learning, ect - unfortunately I vehemently disagree.

[Ilyrian]

With more than 20 million subscribed accounts

There are just under 1 mil players at the last census.

[Buumee]

There are just under 1 mil players at the last census.

I stand corrected. Thanks