Toxic healers

[Ilenya]

It's ok. I'll be sure to have you kicked for wasting everyone's time if you single pull a late game dungeon. You refusing to get better on tank is directly harming my experience and is against my playstyle, so I have every right.

You'll get it eventually. <3

Will you do this on a tank new to the dungeon? I personally like learning where things spawn my first time in, but I also do every new thing as a healer first.

[Vahlnir]

The role isn't the blame, but the player is. I wouldn't assume that just because one healer said mean things to you that all of them are like that, because they aren't. Far from it, actually. In my experience, healers are ridiculously patient most of the time. Being a tank requires a certain amount of patience, but you have to be on another level to be a good healer.

[Buumee]

I'm sorry that you had such a horrific experience and dealt with someone that should be reported for toxicity, but the whole "I experienced this once" then grouping the healer role as "ego maniacs" is a little much lol.

[Buumee]

It's ok. I'll be sure to have you kicked for wasting everyone's time if you single pull a late game dungeon. You refusing to get better on tank is directly harming my experience and is against my playstyle, so I have every right.

You'll get it eventually. <3

I don't necessarily disagree with the entirety of what you said. It is everyone's prerogative to learn their job, unfortunately not everyone learns at the same pace or as skilled as the next player.
As much as I like to vroom vroom through all the dungeons, I do believe that because it's team content, everyone deserves a say on the pace of which we're going.
If my tank isn't comfortable with room to room pulling, if my healer isn't comfortable healing my butt, or if the DPS is too low where it's affecting both the Tank and Healer - I'd rather clear it at a slower consistent pace than wasting more time on wipes and running back.
Lastly if it's someone's first time and they would like to experience it rather than it being another 11 minute dungeon, I'm going to respect that.

[Recon1o6]

you really should have seen this coming from his name and lack of attire
why you didn't boot or report him is beyond me

and it was a toxic player, not a toxic healer. all roles have done this behaviour

[Buumee]

Here's the issue: A tank who single pulls is doing 2 things: 1) they make a 15-20 minute dungeon take 30-40 minutes. 2) They are demonstrating that they have been carried through content up until that point. They're getting kicked for such selfishness. As someone who has to join a dungeon as a non-tank to level the job, and as someone who makes Savage alts for non-Tank classes, I don't have the luxury of going in as a tank and doing it properly.

That in itself is a toxic and elitist mentality. Unless they're intentionally slowing down a dungeon while knowing full well they can handle bigger pulls, I have to disagree with you.
By using Duty Finder you know full well and are accepting the risk of being in a party with people whom you may deemed lesser skilled than you and I would be more than happy to deny such an absurd request to kick the Tank.
I'd go far as to rebuttal that you yourself have the full right to queue premade so you don't have to subject yourself to anyone who is unlucky enough to be performing less than your expectations.

[Buumee]

I'll be sure to let all the kicked tanks know that some average WHM thinks they should be allowed to waste everyone's time, though. You know, as a consolation.

Stay classy.

[Ursa_Vonfiebryd]

Would kick tank in baby stash

Aaand we wonder why there's a tank shortage.

In Expert, I totally get it. However if the tank was new to the dungeon I would probably cut them some slack for not knowing the enemy groupings.

But to kick a tank in Satsasha is...pretty reprehensible unless the tank is just being a troll. You don't even need a tank in there and to waste time initiating a vote-kick when you can just go and start mowing down mobs just invalidates the 'waste of time' argument. Kicking anyone outside of the most modern content (unless again, the tank is just being a troll) is really just a dick move when it's far easier to just adjust and get thru the Duty.

Waiting on a new tank is perhaps the biggest waste of time of all and should really be saved for those who truly deserve it. Because a kick doesn't teach a lesson or make a better player. It just mostly enables people to get away with being selfish and callous.

[Vahlnir]

Elitism, huh? Luckily, the VAST majority of players agree with me, as wall-to-wall pulling is the standard. Any tank who can't handle more then 1 pack isn't fit for play with other players. As I've had dozens of tanks kicked for such unbelievable incompetence, yah. People agree with my side most of the time.

The many good players should not bow to the apathy of the few bad ones. Unfortunately for you, the bad tank makes the PF. Not the other way around.

I'll be sure to let all the kicked tanks know that some average WHM thinks they should be allowed to waste everyone's time, though. You know, as a consolation.

To to be fair, the only way single pulling would make a run take 15-20 minutes longer is if the dps wasn't up to snuff. But yeah, pulling a bunch and then AoEing them down is the most optimal way to go. New tanks (and yes, I consider anyone who's still green and has hit 80 for the very first time to be new for awhile) are probably going to struggle for a bit at first, so I do think that some patience and understanding is needed in those instances. Let's face it, not everyone is going to be on the same level. That's just how it is. I don't really see how wanting/expecting that type of pulling, since it's basically a community standard, is elitist and toxic though. It's just people wanting to get the most out of their time. Now if party member are bad mouthing the tank and harassing them then yeah, I could see that as being at the very least toxic. Being "elitist" typically doesn't mean what some think it means in an MMO context.

[Ilyrian]

Also, don't forget that H Switch at 71, for a new tank who's not coming geared to the ts from Stormblood is going to get battered even if they don't do the full first pull.
Same gear jump as Bardam's and Doma.