Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[TheMightyMollusk]

This is why I keep hoping for a third Encyclopedia Eorzea. It could fill in a lot of the lore gaps.

[Kewitt]

But I don't want to support it.

[SomeRandomHuman]

But I don't want to support it.

Then don't waste your time in this thread since it's FOR male viera.

Best way to be anti-male viera is ignore the supporting threads. more veiws and posts = more interest.

[TheMightyMollusk]

But I don't want to support it.

[spf1200]

This thread just keeps going in circles. You would this you people would get tired of arguing the same things over and over

[Melichoir]

We can find common ground here and agree that its weird that they didnt change on the 1st. I just think its because they were still using Viera, and not some new subspecies under a different name. Such as the Elezan to Elves, or the Lalafell to Dwarves.

IIRC Viera are called Vie on the first. That change happened but about everything else culture wise between the source and first remained the same.

The Males could still easily be hiding. There is a chance we haven't seen the whole forest, we don't see the wall of light surrounding the Forest at all, so there is probly more woods out there. Or they are just really illusive. Even with the Sin Eaters gone that doesn't stop their duties as Protectors; who apparently take it more seriously then the Females.

Id give some of this credit if it played out like this in the MSQ, but thats not how things go down.

For those who may still be doing 5.0 content, Ill spoiler this. But when we go to meet with the Vie when Yshtola is with us, we are not stopped by Male Viera. In fact our first encounter with the Vie is 3 females who engage us. These stalwart protectors dont do anything to slow us down or impede us. They dont even engage us when the females willingly do. They couldve possibly done this scene differently to actually help this lore point by doing the scene more like this:

"Your group is traveling towards fanow. From an ambiguous camera shot of the tree boughs with lots of leaves, an arrow flies out and makes its way towards Yshtola. Camera zooms in on yshtola to make it seem like its gonna strike her. Instead it flies past her face just barely and embeds itself in the ground in front of the WoL. Party stops, yshtola dialogues about the viera and the guardians. Female Viera patrol emerges on the ground level and confronts the group, telling them to turn back or else. More ambiguous shots of the tree tops with a few visible arms drawing bows back implying more male viera are up high and have the drop on them, but still remain hidden in the trees. Dialogue continues, things are tense, You present the medallion. Female Viera whistle to call off the attack. Bows disappear back into trees. Party resumes moving with Viera guard group."


This is just one quick way they could address teh lore. Male viera are implied to be there, just hidden. They get the jump on you, not the ladies of Fanow. While you may get some people saying "oh they did make male viera" if you dont fully see them, it wont mean a whole lot. From a Dev perspective, they can literally use Elezen models for bits of this as youll only really see the arms. Even if you dont want to show the bows being drawn back, the cutscene could still play out the same more or less.

"After he arrow embeds itself in the ground, have a top down long shot of the group with the camera slowly panning around them. Put arrow drawing sound effects (dozens) in to imply more arrows are being notched. Have Yshtola tell everyone to remain calm. Female Vieras present htemselves, remarking on how excellent the men of their species are at hunting and staying hidden. rest of seen plays out as before."

Both of these scenes are just something I threw together in 10 minutes with half a thought. They by no means are amazing, but it does the point and addresses a lot of lore issues in regards to the Vie on the first at the least and where hte males are at. Small changes like this can make a world of difference in storybuilding, and I dont buy it the devs couldnt think this out.

Im starting to realize I didnt fully factor in the 1st here, because you keep broadly saying FFXIV.
Narrow it down to Shadowbringers/the 1st instead of using XIV as a whole, we could have avoided alot of this mindless back and forth. (Even if there is a chance I got tunnel vision in some of what I read)

I kept using FFXIV as a broad point because ShB is built upon pre-existing norms and lore. It is the sum of all its lore, and how the inserted Viera lore from FFXII doesnt quite fit within what already existed. When you include ShB content too, it gets even more wonky. And my prediction is future content that deals with the Viera and their culture will make things more complicated and convoluted unless they address issues that exist because the FFXII lore doesnt fit with the FFXIV lore.

[Saix027]

This thread just keeps going in circles. You would this you people would get tired of arguing the same things over and over

"We keep going in circles arguing if human rights are a thing and if slavery should be forbidden fully."
"We keep going in circles talkign about who should own a weapon and who not."
"We keep going in circles arguing about political issues and sorting out war crimes or other countrys treating there people like crap and kicking ere rights with boots."

It is hard to compare but you see where this goes? This here of course is minor things and first world problems but if people would just had given up everytime they go in circles we still would life in the dark ages like religion deciding things or so. Sometimes we have to demand over and over even if it goes nowhere.

[spf1200]

"We keep going in circles arguing if human rights are a thing and if slavery should be forbidden fully."
"We keep going in circles talkign about who should own a weapon and who not."
"We keep going in circles arguing about political issues and sorting out war crimes or other countrys treating there people like crap and kicking ere rights with boots."

It is hard to compare but you see where this goes? This here of course is minor things and first world problems but if people would just had given up everytime they go in circles we still would life in the dark ages like religion deciding things or so. Sometimes we have to demand over and over even if it goes nowhere.

Wow quite the jump you made there. Those topics go in circles because they are complex issues. This thread is going in circles because to guys have nothing new to talk about.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Id give some of this credit if it played out like this in the MSQ, but thats not how things go down.

Cute idea, it could have happened that way, it just simply didn't. Once again this is more of a 'You guys just don't accept it' kinda of deal, but Im not against the idea that it could have played out that way. My only counter idea, which is more of a loose guess because I have nothing more to go off of, Maybe the Males where just elsewhere in the Forest, possibly in parts we haven't explored. We dot know how big that Forest actually is.

I kept using FFXIV as a broad point because ShB is built upon pre-existing norms and lore. It is the sum of all its lore, and how the inserted Viera lore from FFXII doesnt quite fit within what already existed. When you include ShB content too, it gets even more wonky. And my prediction is future content that deals with the Viera and their culture will make things more complicated and convoluted unless they address issues that exist because the FFXII lore doesnt fit with the FFXIV lore.

But do you not see the issue with your statement here when you Previously said "If no Male Viera on the Source because of Ivalice. Ok" But then when you keep talking about how the Viera stick out and its inconsistent you are in fact just talking about how they are the same on the 1st and why its bad. That is a separate world that has no baring on the Source. If you missed it I agree with you that its weird that the Viera are the same on the 1st, what Im now not getting is how their portrayal on the 1st effect them at all on the Source. Which is starting to sound like the next argument here since you insist on using FFXIV in a broad stroke even though you are just talking about one section that wouldn't have any effect on the narrative on the source.

Lol, so close to coming to an understand that could have stopped this.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I agree with the remix guy. + Arguing about word and it's etymology-or-whatever, 'remix', when it probably describes the development of ffxiv races pretty well to good number of people seems like diversion from the real conversation.

Wut? Did you lose the joke? I don't actually care, he just said it alot that I wanted to use that meme so this dam thread isn't so bloody serious all the time XD
Need to break up the arguments and bickering with some fun every once in a while. Thats why I found that "Uno Reverse Card" thing so great.

You find people agreeing on something Creepy. Lol
And because thats just how the Viera were made. This hivemind point is silly and made up because I guess people just cant fathom something not deviating like everything else.