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    Shurrikhan's Avatar
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    Tani Shirai
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    @Renkai
    (I apologize for taking up so much of the thread thus far; I should have thought to use hide blocks earlier.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renkei View Post
    I mean OGCD 1 letter difference i think anyone that speaks English can understand that basic mess up , its 6 out of 11 fights.

    Referring to the data that was so badly cherry-picked by you that you had to accuse me of doctoring out the 1 day Data, Which you still seem to believe was doctored, the Real Doctored image was the obvious image with MNK doing 999999 Damage, and DRG doing 231337 Damage, Yet you don't bring that into the discussion. I used a completely Different Up-loader to disprove your theory, and backed up the link you posted, only the final image i posted was doctored that's why i made it absolutely obvious, you stated DRG was only BEATEN BY SAM/BLM in every fight. Which was proven not true.

    I Didn't even start the piss battle, Look through the posts Historically all i did was suggest and try to contribute to this thread only to defend myself against the onslaught of DRG OP MNK GIMP by no other then you. what a surprise! I don't see how you appeal to authority makes any sense because none ever do.


    They are from this thread you used that point as a Mote and Bailey as mentioned earlier by me you attempt to be constructive to hide the fact that you only participate in the forums for ad hominem.
    You were against those positions in earlier posts because you believed DRG was to over powered.
    i am not going to point out every single node.




    Lets analyze these statements.


    You say that with conviction like you speak for the world and for me, This is a talking point in Linguistical studies i suggest you look into it. It's the primary topic of Walter Lippmann's Public Opinion, Great piece of Literary work.
    Text book Gas-lighting good-job!
    If there's 10 people in a Forest, and only 2 people saw a Owl, but the other 8's opinion is that the 2 didn't see the owl, Does it make that Owl appearing Factual? popular opinion doesn't make facts.



    Obviously does that even need to be mentioned? but should i care whether or not you consider it seen or unseen? No.
    It's important to note i said "my Unseen past arguments? does making my arguments more seen somehow justify them to be more important? I am pretty sure most of them were seen whether they are popular opinion is something i don't care about, as popular opinion doesn't have to be factual as it's subjected to only being accepted by the majority regardless of it's factual significance. "
    Context is important.


    Because what i said was the truth? How is that a Piss-Battle? I Historically put out more accurate Monk Data in this Thread then you have! You accused me of doctoring the image you posted when i posted the direct-link instead, the only image i doctored was the one that was obviously doctored with the ridiculous damage numbers to prevent you from accusing me of doctoring your original image because I've seen you use that as a defense before.

    your honestly Telling me this link https://prnt.sc/ul0l97 Posted by you, and your Link Directly Linked https://image.prntscr.com/image/ScZK...tmdKSi72xg.png Doctored? Nope.

    Your Post 03:00 AM
    https://prnt.sc/ul0l97
    My Post 03:10 AM
    https://image.prntscr.com/image/ScZK...tmdKSi72xg.png
    Your Edit 03:27 AM.
    https://prnt.sc/ul1235


    Argumentum ad populum, Man you are full of the tricks aren't you? I knew you were full of it the moment i helped get your link working and then you accused me of cropping it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Renkei View Post
    to prevent you from accusing me of doctoring your original image because I've seen you use that as a defense before.
    You are again referring to... yourself?
    Quote Originally Posted by Renkei View Post
    Don't make me laugh you doctored that image here let me prove it!
    I'm sorry if you're approaching this like I'm some end-of-story boss who doesn't even know you, but I've never accused anyone of doctoring an image. I see my link, which you accused me of doctoring, and your alleged copy of mine, and that the latter is smaller than the other. That's is all. I don't know you.
    Quote Originally Posted by Renkei View Post
    Argumentum ad populum
    The context (what you've quoted of me immediately above):
    It was my attempt to try to bring some course back to the thread. Perhaps you've been saying ingenious things in your suggested charge system and I'm just too dumb to understand them. In spirit of that, might I suggest actually addressing the thread itself?
    This has nothing to do with argumentum ad populum; that is to argue based on what is popular. I am not arguing anything. I have explained my actions and have asked you to please write your suggestions out for anyone else in this thread, as per the purpose of this thread, since despite my best attempts to understand what it is you want, I am clearly failing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    @Renkai
    (I apologize for taking up so much of the thread thus far; I should have thought to use hide blocks earlier.)
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    You are again referring to... yourself?

    I'm sorry if you're approaching this like I'm some end-of-story boss who doesn't even know you, but I've never accused anyone of doctoring an image. I see my link, which you accused me of doctoring, and your alleged copy of mine, and that the latter is smaller than the other. That's is all. I don't know you.


    The context (what you've quoted of me immediately above):

    This has nothing to do with argumentum ad populum; that is to argue based on what is popular. I am not arguing anything. I have explained my actions and have asked you to please write your suggestions out for anyone else in this thread, as per the purpose of this thread, since despite my best attempts to understand what it is you want, I am clearly failing.


    I am constantly Referring to this.


    Your Post 03:00 AM
    https://prnt.sc/ul0l97
    My Post 03:10 AM
    https://postimg.cc/Wq22ygzL
    Your Edit 03:27 AM.
    https://prnt.sc/ul1235

    It still counts as argumentum ad populum when you try appeal to the masses.
    That's why we should push pass this Ad hominem, Which you don't need to know a person personally to employ. I would just rather not. So let's get to the bottom of suggestions instead of the later.


    I Wrote My Suggestion In Detail In an earlier post, I'd like to clarify information about it but i don't have a clue what part of it you are confused about you'd have to ask me in detail about it in order for me to elaborate.


    I've been reading through the DRG Balance thread on the Japanese Forums, It's nice to see people claiming support to others then a constant back and forth attacks at peoples personal character. So please ask me and I'll elaborate.

    Here is the Window I mentioned Previously regarding the burst window for DRG. Notice the Purposely Used Early Geirskogul to delay Life? this is done on purpose to make up for the removal of 3 Eyes and spine-shatter-eye.
    Burst Function works like this. Geir>Jump>Dive.


    This would allow the Last Nastrond of 1st burst 6 Nastrond, and the first one of the 2nd 6 Nastrond 2 second flexibility. That's why it's not an issue just some timing flexibility.


    Alternatively, Preventing Removal of Eyes on BoTD Loss will only put DRG up to the current standard of keeping your resourcing because we got long in battle cut-scenes. Which MNK Also suffers from. Like the not having 7 Chakra problem.
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    Last edited by Renkei; 09-22-2020 at 07:08 PM. Reason: Added Data