FFXIV is too simplistic and bland

[FeliAiko]

His post history absolutely gives him away as it involves starting one of these long complaint threads once a month or so, combined with talking about how he's nobly doing this in a deliberately inflammatory way so his message "gains traction" to get the devs' attention. He's doing this very deliberately, either as a troll or with a genuinely overinflated opinion of his views on the game.

Arguing back and forth about him is adding fuel to his fire.

See, now I can accept this assessment in regards to OP credibility as opposed to 'he's on a alt character so point is automatically void'. I could easily change this current char to a sub lvl50 alt and by some of these posters logic, I suddenly can't say anything about this game because I haven't reached endgame on said character.

[Gameovers]

See, now I can accept this assessment in regards to OP credibility as opposed to 'he's on a alt character so point is automatically void'. I could easily change this current char to a sub lvl50 alt and by some of these posters logic, I suddenly can't say anything about this game because I haven't reached endgame on said character.

The difference in you changing your default character to some level 50 alt is you have reached endgame. The OP has not. Which means until he proves he has which going by his post history he has not. He can't speak on endgame cause he hasn't played it. Would you talk about buliding a house if you never build one? Would you comment on how making a cake is done if you never made one? If you did don't expect people to listen to you This is the same thing.

[Iscah]

The difference in you changing your default character to some level 50 alt is you have reached endgame.

If they changed their displayed character, I'm not sure that you can actually track down who their other character at endgame is, unless they tell you. Which would defeat the purpose of posting as an alt.

Currently I have eight characters registered to my account. If you go to the Characters tab of my profile, you can only see the four that I have manually linked. As far as I'm aware, there's no way of identifying who the others are either from my profile or via Lodestone.

Even if you could do that, there's no way of confirming that they don't have a second account entirely. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, and all that.

This is not to defend his views, but simply to point out that there wouldn't be a visible difference between someone who has reached endgame and someone who hasn't if they choose to conceal it.

[Gameovers]

If they changed their displayed character, I'm not sure that you can actually track down who their other character at endgame is, unless they tell you. Which would defeat the purpose of posting as an alt.

Currently I have eight characters registered to my account. If you go to the Characters tab of my profile, you can only see the four that I have manually linked. As far as I'm aware, there's no way of identifying who the others are either from my profile or via Lodestone.

Even if you could do that, there's no way of confirming that they don't have a second account entirely. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, and all that.

This is not to defend his views, but simply to point out that there wouldn't be a visible difference between someone who has reached endgame and someone who hasn't if they choose to conceal it.

I didn't mean it like that. I just meant if they changed it after that post.. as in they changed it after we saw they already have an 80 character. that was the proof. I hate text T.T I hope that makes more sense.

[FeliAiko]

The difference in you changing your default character to some level 50 alt is you have reached endgame.

You would only know this in hindsight, because my exchanges with you have been under my registered main. If every post I made in this thread prior to our exchange was done under my alt-registered character, you'd have no clue if I've done endgame or not. You'd only have the assumption I haven't because all you'd see is a char that's not lvl 80. That's why just going off registered char is flawed. At least Iscah made their case using the OP's post history, which is a comparatively better metric.

With that said, not every criticism about XIV endgame requires you to experience endgame first hand. I don't have to know how to bake a cake to see that a muffin is simple compared to a wedding cake. Same way I don't have to personally Hero's Gauntlet when, from observation, the dungeon design follows the same formula as the very first dungeon in the game. Now if I comment on Hero's difficulty without having experienced it then that would be another story.

[Gameovers]

You would only know this in hindsight, because my exchanges with you have been under my registered main. If every post I made in this thread prior to our exchange was done under my alt-registered character, you'd have no clue if I've done endgame or not. You'd only have the assumption I haven't because all you'd see is a char that's not lvl 80. That's why just going off registered char is flawed. At least Iscah made their case using the OP's post history, which is a comparatively better metric.

With that said, not every criticism about XIV endgame requires you to experience endgame first hand. I don't have to know how to bake a cake to see that a muffin is simple compared to a wedding cake. Same way I don't have to personally Hero's Gauntlet when, from observation, the dungeon design follows the same formula as the very first dungeon in the game. Now if I comment on Hero's difficulty without having experienced it then that would be another story.

No. I meant that the difference in you changing your character now would be that we seen your level 80. So long as you stayed on the account FeliAiko we'll know you had an 80 and just changed. Thats the difference. With the OP we don't have that. We just have a bunch of post history proving they haven't played anything past 25. Which still goes back to them posting on a level 25. So yeah.. everything they say is void because they did not experince it themselves. Anyone can go and say " X is bad " because someone else said it. .but heres there difference.. thats ALL they can say. They can't tell you why, how when or how to fix it because they have no expereince with it. And that isn't a debate worth having. That's why OP's level matters. At the end of the day, making this thread with that character should always get called into question. And seeing as his post history proves he knowns nothing it was right for people to question him.

Let me add by saying it really is what he is saying though. He's comparing a completely different mmo to this one.. and he hasn't reach any content that matters for his debates to work. You don't compare like that. This would be different if he had an endgame character and whatnot. But from the looks of it it just looks like he wants XIV to be another game and seeing how he only got to 25 on an account thats older than 2 years.... Why would you take his opinion in?

[FeliAiko]

No. I meant that the difference in you changing your character now would be that we seen your level 80.

Yes, that's what hindsight means, which is why I brought it up to begin with.

You would only know this in hindsight, because my exchanges with you have been under my registered main.

With the OP we don't have that. We just have a bunch of post history proving they haven't played anything past 25.

I doubt you went through an entire 900+ post history, stretching back 3 years (which would indicate OP having been subbed for at least that long as you cannot make posts on OF if unsubbed), to confirm if they only have a lvl 25 char or not. It's pretty naive to think that someone would continue paying a sub (on and off, or otherwise) just to sit on a lvl25 char and complain about endgame stuff repeatedly during that whole time.

Iscah's point was that OP apparently has a history of making threads/posts like these, in ways to deliberately draw attention so that devs might notice or something. Either way, signs are more likely they're someone that's reached endgame and for whatever reason still plays the game on and off even though they're not fully enamored by it. Those type of players aren't exactly a rare occurrence.

Which still goes back to them posting on a level 25.

Post history is not tied to the player character you were registered on when you made the post, but your SE account.

Anyone can go and say " X is bad " because someone else said it..but heres there difference.. thats ALL they can say. They can't tell you why, how when or how to fix it because they have no expereince with it. And that isn't a debate worth having. That's why OP's level matters. At the end of the day, making this thread with that character should always get called into question. And seeing as his post history proves he knowns nothing it was right for people to question him.

Let me add by saying it really is what he is saying though. He's comparing a completely different mmo to this one.. and he hasn't reach any content that matters for his debates to work. You don't compare like that. This would be different if he had an endgame character and whatnot. But from the looks of it it just looks like he wants XIV to be another game and seeing how he only got to 25 on an account thats older than 2 years.... Why would you take his opinion in?

You haven't actually proven with any credible evidence that OP doesn't have an endgame character, though. All you've gone by is current registered character, and it's already been pointed out by myself and Iscah why trying to go that route is flawed.

[Gameovers]

Yes, that's what hindsight means, which is why I brought it up to begin with.





I doubt you went through an entire 900+ post history, stretching back 3 years (which would indicate OP having been subbed for at least that long as you cannot make posts on OF if unsubbed), to confirm if they only have a lvl 25 char or not. It's pretty naive to think that someone would continue paying a sub (on and off, or otherwise) just to sit on a lvl25 char and complain about endgame stuff repeatedly during that whole time.

Iscah's point was that OP apparently has a history of making threads/posts like these, in ways to deliberately draw attention so that devs might notice or something. Either way, signs are more likely they're someone that's reached endgame and for whatever reason still plays the game on and off even though they're not fully enamored by it. Those type of players aren't exactly a rare occurrence.



Post history is not tied to the player character you were registered on when you made the post, but your SE account.



You haven't actually proven with any credible evidence that OP doesn't have an endgame character, though. All you've gone by is current registered character, and it's already been pointed out by myself and Iscah why trying to go that route is flawed.

Then they should prove it. And post on their main character or account. That's what me and a few others have been saying. And until they do their word is not valid. I also don't need to prove anything. I'm not the one saying the game needs to change based on things I have not done. Again why defend someone who's a known troll? You even agree to this. so why defend him?

To add more detail to this.. .this whole debate we're having proves my earlier point. Had they posted on their endgame character none of this would've came up. You even confirm this. You know people will do this and it'll never stop. And it shouldn't stop. Because your character is all we see.. that and your post history. When your post history already proves you're a troll looking to stur people up you're already losing. And to add to that you only post on a level 25 character? Yeah man you get called out and rightfully so. Thats the issue. If he wants to be taken seriously then he needs to prove it's worth it to be taken seriously. And that's not creating troll topics on a level 25 character. Again. If we let him get away with that then that only lets other people come here and complain about stuff they never did. Like people who complain about endgame yet have never touched it. We don't need more of that.

[Controller]

Then they should prove it. And post on their main character or account. That's what me and a few others have been saying. And until they do their word is not valid. I also don't need to prove anything. I'm not the one saying the game needs to change based on things I have not done. Again why defend someone who's a known troll? You even agree to this. so why defend him?

To add more detail to this.. .this whole debate we're having proves my earlier point. Had they posted on their endgame character none of this would've came up. You even confirm this. You know people will do this and it'll never stop. And it shouldn't stop. Because your character is all we see.. that and your post history. When your post history already proves you're a troll looking to stur people up you're already losing. And to add to that you only post on a level 25 character? Yeah man you get called out and rightfully so. Thats the issue. If he wants to be taken seriously then he needs to prove it's worth it to be taken seriously. And that's not creating troll topics on a level 25 character. Again. If we let him get away with that then that only lets other people come here and complain about stuff they never did. Like people who complain about endgame yet have never touched it. We don't need more of that.

Sadly while I see your point, you're not helping. All both of you are doing is adding more fuel to what is likely a troll post to make people fight over the internet. It's been proven they do this atleast once a month to do excatly what you two are doing. I know it sucks to drop a point if you believe strongly in it.. but you should just let it go. Enjoy the story and get off the forums. You mentioned you're new. WHY ARE YOU HERE?! This place will ruin you!!!