Mentors are toxic omg

[SturmChurro]

My reasoning of opening the thread was just to point out that there are the same amount of people (and probably many more) who are toxic. But when mentors are mentioned, everyone goes "omg mentors are toxic" but they don't look at the other side of the picture. I wanted to reflect the other side, if possible.

The other reasoning of me opening the thread was to not approach every mentor out there by the prejudice that they are toxic.

I think there is a stigma around mentorship that it is seen as what i described in original post. I just wanted to reflect that most mentors are doing a good job, on the contrary of what public is seeing due to these cannot-take-criticism people. That's all

Of course there are. However, mentors should be held to a higher standard (it isn't). It actually says so when you sign up, but whatever, SE doesn't actually police it. As such, mentorship should just be removed, in my opinion. It's largely worthless.

A player can help another, or give advice without a mentor crown. Actually scratch that, they can't if it's taken badly, because they will be banned. Funny stuff.

[PerrinTaveren]

Of course there are. However, mentors should be held to a higher standard (it isn't). It actually says so when you sign up, but whatever, SE doesn't actually police it. As such, mentorship should just be removed, in my opinion. It's largely worthless.

A player can help another, or give advice without a mentor crown. Actually scratch that, they can't if it's taken badly, because they will be banned. Funny stuff.

That's the point of this thread though. It isn't mentorship that is problematic / should be removed. It is the other side of that mentorship system where people are %90 of the time "don't tell me what to do". It doesn't matter like you said if i have a crown or not, but those people don't have a crown, and they are not considered "toxic". That was my point.

[SturmChurro]

That's the point of this thread though. It isn't mentorship that is problematic / should be removed. It is the other side of that mentorship system where people are %90 of the time "don't tell me what to do". It doesn't matter like you said if i have a crown or not, but those people don't have a crown, and they are not considered "toxic". That was my point.

Mentorship is problematic because it has no oversight, and full of players giving "advice". There is a legitimate reason a lot of players don't like mentors.

[PerrinTaveren]

Mentorship is problematic because it has no oversight, and full of players giving "advice". There is a legitimate reason a lot of players don't like mentors.

I am saying there is an apple on the table, you are saying there is a peach.
This thread isn't about mentors, it is about people who aren't mentors but act like everything is wrong with mentorship is being a mentor.

You are missing the point. I already told there are toxic mentors. That's not the point. If there is a mentor out there, there is a non-mentor too. And your words say more than you can imagine to support my thread tbh. We all should take criticism better and acknowledge it, while staying peaceful.

Ofc it is bad if mentor is pestering you with advices but well... It is bad if you use cure 1 in a lv80 dungeon too and give reason to be adviced.

[MagicAura]

Mentorship is problematic because it has no oversight, and full of players giving "advice". There is a legitimate reason a lot of players don't like mentors.

I think you are missing the point too. Mentors are simply experienced players. In my 3.5 months playing this game, I have done no extreme trials. This person has done 1,700 extreme trials. It's clear that this person knows a bit more on mechanics and therefore of the game in general. If receiving advice from this person offends me then the problem is with me and not them.

If you expect policing then you're not going to get it because there are no global rules on how to be a "teacher" to inexperienced players because, well, everyone's experience is somewhat different. You can give advice on mechanics and rotations and jobs in general. Whether someone takes that advice on board is on them. A mentor's word isn't law and isn't final and isn't guaranteed to be free of error. A mentor is not someone who knows everything and every mechanic inside out. They are just a more experienced player. If one leaves egos aside, one can have a constructive conversation regardless of whether one agrees with the person pointing out something or not. But in an extreme trial when wipe after wipe happens, i expect the mentor there to speak up and explain mechanics. And if I'm a healer who doesn't know how to heal then I also expect that he'll correct me. No policing required.

[PerrinTaveren]

I think you are missing the point too. Mentors are simply experienced players. In my 3.5 months playing this game, I have done no extreme trials. This person has done 1,700 extreme trials. It's clear that this person knows a bit more on mechanics and therefore of the game in general. If receiving advice from this person offends me then the problem is with me and not them.

If you expect policing then you're not going to get it because there are no global rules on how to be a "teacher" to inexperienced players because, well, everyone's experience is somewhat different. You can give advice on mechanics and rotations and jobs in general. Whether someone takes that advice on board is on them. A mentor's word isn't law and isn't final and isn't guaranteed to be free of error. A mentor is not someone who knows everything and every mechanic inside out. They are just a more experienced player. If one leaves egos aside, one can have a constructive conversation regardless of whether one agrees with the person pointing out something or not. But in an extreme trial when wipe after wipe happens, i expect the mentor there to speak up and explain mechanics. And if I'm a healer who doesn't know how to heal then I also expect that he'll correct me. No policing required.

Mentor roulettes aren't all extreme trials, in fact it covers a really low percantage of it but i agree mostly MagicAura thanks

[SturmChurro]

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We can all agree then that the community is toxic in general, and people will refuse to acknowledge"advice" whether it's from a mentor or not. The worst are the ones that report players. I have been citing the several threads of "toxic casuals" we have on these forums. There is probably one of them either on this page or close to. All these threads tend to blend when I skim through them.

I didn't actually read your OP, it was too jumbled. I just assumed you are tired of people refusing your advice, on the basis of you having a mentor crown. Like I said though, people will refuse advice whether you had one or not. Having a mentor crown just exacerbates the issue, because of their poor reputation. This community is extremely passive-aggressive. I have discussed these topics before, so it may seem like I am not providing enough info on my opinions and I probably am not to get my point across, but I'll just be repeating myself from the multitude of threads on similar topics throughout this forum.

Mentors are simply experienced players. In my 3.5 months playing this game, I have done no extreme trials. This person has done 1,700 extreme trials. It's clear that this person knows a bit more on mechanics and therefore of the game in general. If receiving advice from this person offends me then the problem is with me and not them.

If you expect policing then you're not going to get it because there are no global rules on how to be a "teacher" to inexperienced players because, well, everyone's experience is somewhat different. You can give advice on mechanics and rotations and jobs in general. Whether someone takes that advice on board is on them. A mentor's word isn't law and isn't final and isn't guaranteed to be free of error. A mentor is not someone who knows everything and every mechanic inside out. They are just a more experienced player. If one leaves egos aside, one can have a constructive conversation regardless of whether one agrees with the person pointing out something or not. But in an extreme trial when wipe after wipe happens, i expect the mentor there to speak up and explain mechanics. And if I'm a healer who doesn't know how to heal then I also expect that he'll correct me. No policing required.

Yeah, mentors definitely do have a high opinion of themselves. Having a mentor crown doesn't necessarily mean you have more experience than someone who does not. I choose not to participate in mentorship, but I could throw one right on, and then to you, apparently, I'll seem more experienced.

I don't expect policing, SE is already stretched thin on resources, as they like to say. Without it the program is largely worthless when it comes to it's intended purpose. Sure, there are some good mentors, but there are a lot of bad. Both in the way they play, and their attitudes, in my opinion. It's a community problem. The joke "great community" or whatever.