The toxicity starting to happen.

[Hugowulf]

Look at it this way. Before wiki's were a thing and people made articles when the game was new no one knew what to do for their class, no one knew all the secrets, and the efficiency. Some people want to figure that out on their own, to play it without 'cheating'. I know I do. It feels totally cheap to look something up on a guide just because there's struggle. It's like in the Playstation days with strategy guides and walkthroughs. They're tools, and it's fine for people to use them. But not everyone wants to. Some want the mystery of discovery on their own.

Sure, a class may be played best one way with all its rotations. Yeah, some on here may have the class explained down to the literal quantum formulas. ... However, that takes the fun out of it. It's just cheating, by copying what someone else already figured out.

So looking to better yourself is considered cheating, learn something new everyday.

[Nekaru_Infitima]

So looking to better yourself is considered cheating, learn something new everyday.

Apparently you didn't read. I said if people want to use it it's fine.
But I consider it cheating if I USE it. And others may think that too.
I DO NOT want to do something that I see as cheating personally.

If you want to better yourself, have at it.

I want the discovery. I want to take on that WoL role and make mistakes and learn from them, start out a novice and improve by dying tons, wiping several, and learning what works and what doesn't on my own. Not just read someone elses work who already did that and took the fun out of it.

[MsMisato]

Apparently you didn't read. I said if people want to use it it's fine.
But I consider it cheating if I USE it. And others may think that too.
I DO NOT want to do something that I see as cheating personally.

If you want to better yourself, have at it.

I want the discovery. I want to take on that WoL role and make mistakes and learn from them, start out a novice and improve by dying tons, wiping several, and learning what works and what doesn't on my own. Not just read someone elses work who already did that and took the fun out of it.

With the exception of day 1 content, ff you queue up for roulette, join a raid or learning party, you are expected to know these things such as rotation because there are people will that will call you out on it if you are pulling the group down. Its been like this for years.

If you want to play with the self discovery and learn it as you go, as you stated, that is fine, but I would recommend doing a preformed party with like minded individuals and do the roulette, raids, extremes, savages, that way. Its going to be a better experience for you in the long run.

[Melichoir]

With the exception of day 1 content, ff you queue up for roulette, join a raid or learning party, you are expected to know these things such as rotation because there are people will that will call you out on it if you are pulling the group down. Its been like this for years.

If you want to play with the self discovery and learn it as you go, as you stated, that is fine, but I would recommend doing a preformed party with like minded individuals and do the roulette, raids, extremes, savages, that way. Its going to be a better experience for you in the long run.

I wonder if they do much raiding, cause there are a lot of raiders who like to YOLO it their first time or so into new content cause, yes, there is some fun in trying to figure out how to beat fights. However if its week 7 of Savage, and people are progging or clearing, unless you run your own PF where you say "Fresh start going blind", expecting other people to cater to you is a bit much.