The toxicity starting to happen.

[SavishSalacious]

FF 14 is like a group of friends playing DND in their moms basement. We all get along, for the most part, we all help each other out. Some of us get married in that basement to pixels, and some take that straight to the real altar.

But recently I have been seeing a lot of new players, I like new players. Shiny little creatures with that little tiny seedling. They come and announce "I am a new tank here" and that's amazing. I want to help you any way I can.

Then the healer states "Pull large, I got this." The tank continues to state they are uneasy pulling large amounts, they try, we wipe, I say slow down, take your time. The healer gets pissy, threatens to leave, I initiate the kick vote, it fails, he leaves.

Summary: Whats with the drama?

I come from ARR, when HW was new and shiny. I had my fair share of idiots, we all have. But when there's new people we should banding together to help them, not rush through because we can.

The other side of that coin is new players coming from other games "well this isn't so and so, so it sucks" Or you give them advice, I have little tanking experience, but one time the tank could not keep argo, I told him the particular skill to use (the one where spikes come up through the ground, spacing on the name) and he gets all snippy. "In wow this is how I played, it works more or less the same here, you just suck"

I'm sorry you entitled, spoiled little brat - but I am trying to help you be a better player.

Christ. What is happening? From the mass zerg (GW2 term) farms for hunts to the rampant attack against and from new players. Every day is a fight through either super silent dungeons aside from the intial: "o/" to the constant use of (in some cases) the N word or other racial slurs.

I get it, shadowbringers was awesome, we bout to get some good eggs, some bad eggs and some rotten eggs. But recently it seems the old guard attacking the newer generation and the newer generation assuming "this is like "x" game, shut up".

Any one else notice this or am I on drugs?

/rant

EDIT

What you guys are missing is that this is not about being a tank, not about being any class in general. You can see the toxicity even in the way people respond to the thread posts here. The way they down talk, "mansplain" and give you elitisim. This forum is full of it, so is the game. Rare is it for me to have a encounter in dungeon or other wise that is at all positive with the influx of new players, which as stated, is expected in some cases. But it seems with the pandemic, the lack of things and places to go and do has lead to a lot of new players, who a lot of the times use jump potions, have no idea whats going on and have no idea how to play their class REGARDLESS of the class.

This leads us to a whole new group of "you don't pay my sub" mentality and "This game sucks, there's no story" - well ya when you use a jump potion and its your very first time ever. The typical "too slow" or "the combat sucks" is also starting to creep up. Running dungeons was fun, use to be wall to wall, now its 1 or two mobs at a time, in its self not bad. But when the tank has no idea what they're doing or the healer, god for bid you know how to play your class to any degree. The DPS just runs around with its head cut off, you wipe. you try and lead the party but its like herding angry cats with swords for claws.

The racism, sexism, homophobia in some dungeons and raids is beyond absord. The Constant attacks, you whipe half the party leave, you get castrum - half the party leaves. Before SHB and even during SHB i never witnessed this kind of toxicity in the amount I have in the last year or so. Reporting is useless, because I see the same person who said the N word in a party chat still in game.

6 months to a year ago you dealt with this, sure, on a small scale. Today, its all over the place.

Hope that clears things up and gets off the "learn to play your tank class" rant.

[Legion88]

You are late. It started already way back in ARR but it was just less.
Now FFXIV is much more popular and so more people are joining and so are more bad and rotten eggs coming to this community.
Also the so called GCBTW does its part to isolate people and "protect" its "save space" and by this hurting the community.

[Puremallace]

Easiest way to solve this is to turn off tank stance and pull large and tell the healer to use their pro leet heals to keep everyone alive or just randomly shirk you aggro to the healer for laughs.

I DESPISE healers that want to pretend they know how to tank.

[ForteNightshade]

Easiest way to solve this is to turn off tank stance and pull large and tell the healer to use their pro leet heals to keep everyone alive or just randomly shirk you aggro to the healer for laughs.

I DESPISE healers that want to pretend they know how to tank.

Because tanking is oh so difficult. Seriously, pulling two packs in a dungeon basically amounts to "Can you press Vengeance, and as it's about to fall off press Rampant next? Yes? Hooray! Pull two packs now." By level 50, there is zero reason not to double pull. I can appreciate not wanting to do the super pulls, especially in Shadowbringers as those can catch people off guard. But a group of 5-6 mods does jack all to a tank nowadays. And if it's the healer telling you to pull more, why not give it a shot? You lose absolutely nothing at least trying.

[Allegor]

Because tanking is oh so difficult. Seriously, pulling two packs in a dungeon basically amounts to "Can you press Vengeance, and as it's about to fall off press Rampant next? Yes? Hooray! Pull two packs now." By level 50, there is zero reason not to double pull. I can appreciate not wanting to do the super pulls, especially in Shadowbringers as those can catch people off guard. But a group of 5-6 mods does jack all to a tank nowadays. And if it's the healer telling you to pull more, why not give it a shot? You lose absolutely nothing at least trying.

Ohh I don't know...let's see....

-new to dungeon
-new to role
-new to the game as a whole
-tanxiety
-undergeared
-getting used to new skills/rotation/keybinds
-'thin skin' aka, praying the other party members aren't jerks
-testing how the other party members perform

heck, even all of the above at once is an option. Tanking in itself may be mechanically easy, but clearly the great majority of players aren't willing to do it, more often than not, out of fear of the other players, not the content itself.

More whining from scaredy cat single pulling tanks and the GCBTW that enables them. Hit your AoE buttons, use your cooldowns, it's not hard y'all. In fact it's easier than ever. Some of you people never would've made it before Shadowbringers.

Point proven. This is exactly why tanking will always be, in every game ever, the least played role. Nothing encourages people more to try a role than being belittled and judged right from the get go.

[Katie_Kitty]

Point proven. This is exactly why tanking will always be, in every game ever, the least played role. Nothing encourages people more to try a role than being belittled and judged right from the get go.

Nobody's belittling or judging anyone. Tanking in casual content is literally just "turn on tank stance, hit your AoE buttons, cycle through defensive cooldowns." If you can hit a button every 2.5 seconds and keep a cooldown up then you will be fine. People make it harder on themselves than it needs to be by doing dumb stuff like single-targeting trash packs and even trying to pull with shield lob in dungeons where mobs appear out of nowhere and immediately aggro the closest person. Seriously all you need to do is run up to the mobs and hit them with your AoE button, really simple and easy, no need for "tanxiety".

[Allegor]

Nobody's belittling or judging anyone. Tanking in casual content is literally just "turn on tank stance, hit your AoE buttons, cycle through defensive cooldowns." If you can hit a button every 2.5 seconds and keep a cooldown up then you will be fine. People make it harder on themselves than it needs to be by doing dumb stuff like single-targeting trash packs and even trying to pull with shield lob in dungeons where mobs appear out of nowhere and immediately aggro the closest person. Seriously all you need to do is run up to the mobs and hit them with your AoE button, really simple and easy, no need for "tanxiety".

See, I'm in agreement in that it's easy and people should be encouraged to try it out and get better, but the problem is the "this is so easy you should feel ashamed of yourself" attitude, because that's literally what happens to many people and what drives them away. My first run ever as a tank was a dumpster fire because I had the misfortune of having a 'go go go' DPS that even tried to kick me even though I said I was new, and despite that I kept leveling - others may have ditched the role then and there. That is the same kind of player that gets annoyed for having 20 min queues and has the audacity to wonder why there's tank shortage.

[VenKitsune]

Ohh I don't know...let's see....

-new to dungeon
-new to role
-new to the game as a whole
-tanxiety
-undergeared
-getting used to new skills/rotation/keybinds
-'thin skin' aka, praying the other party members aren't jerks
-testing how the other party members perform

heck, even all of the above at once is an option. Tanking in itself may be mechanically easy, but clearly the great majority of players aren't willing to do it, more often than not, out of fear of the other players, not the content itself.



Point proven. This is exactly why tanking will always be, in every game ever, the least played role. Nothing encourages people more to try a role than being belittled and judged right from the get go.

While i cant say i disagree, being new to any given dungeon means diddly squat past level 50 - Dungeons are basically copy pastes of eachother and mob packs almost always do the same damage, there isnt patrols that can be avoided like in ARR dungeons, patrols that can also agro in to a current ongoing fight and screw you over and all manner of things. Every dungeon past level 50 is basically identical mechanically outside of bosses so going in to amaurot and saying "im new so i pull small" is a bit counterintuitive as you should know by then at every dungeon is the same damn thing.
Being new to the game or your role is also something that any given player shouldnt be past a certain point, if they still have no idea how to tank at lvl 80 because they used a jump potion, that's their problem and not their parties problem.

Being undergeared is generally not a big problem these days due to leveling dungeons having ilvl requirements and the fact that you can megapull with even the minimum ilvl gear for any given dungeon, provided the tank and healer know how to play their jobs decently.

Honestly i think it comes down to just...people need to learn to read their tooltips and be open to advice, but past level 50 they shouldnt expect to be coddled to or played around.

[Satarn]

I DESPISE healers that want to pretend they know how to tank.

That's a funny attitude to have, in a game that allows - and encourages - to level and play every single job on one character. Chances are that "healer" has years of experience tanking everything from dungeons to Ultimates, over some cocky nooblet PLD with one tank leveled. Chances are they're really a tank main. Chances are the rando PLD is the one who knows jack-all about tanking, regardless of it being the job they just happened to be currently running a dungeon on.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

I mean.. I leveled both healers and tanks.. I know how to tank also? o.0 Can do content quite happily on both ^^