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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepsi_Plunge View Post
    Maybe UCoB and UWU are now doable with 7 players but people are also selling Ultimate Alexander clears and that can't be done (so far) without 8 active people, so account sharing/piloting your character is an absolute requirement for that.
    Which was never my point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaynide View Post
    Which was never my point.
    You were asking what account sharing has to do with anything and were arguing that it is possible to clear with 7 people, making it "legal" to sell those clears. But Alexander Ultimate is NOT possible with 7 people and can't be done without account sharing/piloting another account, which would be against the ToS same like RMT. So there is no way it is "legal" to sell a Alexander Ultimate clear, makeing the offer suspicious and reportable to begin with - which is the whole point of this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepsi_Plunge View Post
    You were asking what account sharing has to do with anything and were arguing that it is possible to clear with 7 people, making it "legal" to sell those clears. But Alexander Ultimate is NOT possible with 7 people and can't be done without account sharing/piloting another account, which would be against the ToS same like RMT. So there is no way it is "legal" to sell a Alexander Ultimate clear, makeing the offer suspicious and reportable to begin with - which is the whole point of this thread.
    I was never specifically talking about Alexander.

    The point of this whole thread was, quote:

    Quote Originally Posted by Krojack View Post
    Please add a right click > Report RMT to the party finder. It's getting out of hand and just completely cluttering up the party finder with garbage.
    To which I responded:

    Quote Originally Posted by kaynide View Post
    If you aren’t positive that the run-selling is RMT, then the player really hasn’t done anything wrong.

    It’s like anything else in the game- a player has put in the time to be able to sell a product that has some kind of demand. Another player doesn’t want to put in the effort to do it themselves, but has the means to pay for the service.

    It’s essentially the same as paying a crafter for their products.

    Moreover, if some kind of content built for 8 people can be done with 7, perhaps the content isn’t really that difficult -or- the 7 man team has earned some kind of right to “sell” their skills.
    -and-

    Quote Originally Posted by kaynide View Post
    Not saying I condone RMT, but I am more “innocent until proven guilty”.

    And there really isn’t anything I can do to prove otherwise- that’s on SE to investigate.
    All that said, if ultimates can be done by 7 people, I would say that’s more of a mistake to where either SE made it too easy, or the player skill is that good. If in-game currency is to be made there, I do not blame the players.
    YOU replied:

    Quote Originally Posted by Pepsi_Plunge View Post
    The only way they can sell you an ultimate clear is through account sharing which is against the TOS.
    ..which is false, as I and others linked videos of groups CLEARLY doing UCOB and UWU, 7 man.

    To which you changed into:
    Quote Originally Posted by Pepsi_Plunge View Post
    Maybe UCoB and UWU are now doable with 7 players but people are also selling Ultimate Alexander clears and that can't be done (so far) without 8 active people, so account sharing/piloting your character is an absolute requirement for that.
    So now we're talking about Alexander and/or the assumption that the carry needs be controlled by third party?

    If you think something is suspicious, report away. Nobody stopping you.

    tl;dr:

    (OP) Report Illegal RMT > (Me)Guilty Until Proven > (You)But You Can't 7 Man Ultimates >(Me/others)Yeah, you can: links > (You)But not Alexander > (Me) Ok...so report away if you have proof.
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