Do you think henchmen/mooks who recognize the WoL but attack anyway are silly?

[Jandor]

And she only seemingly does that in the english version. (And no I am not saying that it makes it less canon but it also does not make it THE canon option)

Surely the English version is the canon version for the English language lore forum? We can't reasonably be expected to discuss versions we can't understand.

Why should randoms mooks know about adventurer friends that seemingly dont exist outside of some random text in some quests?

Because that's the setting of the game? Adventurers joining the guild of adventurers and meeting other adventurers to go on adventures together is an established thing, it's what adventurers do and we are an adventurer.

They are not out there helping us when we do solo instances, they are not out there being celebrated by the people.

We're not being celebrated by the people half the time, the normal response we get when we turn up is 'who the hell are you? kill 5 wolves for me and then I might hear you out.'

Shouldnt the scions be kinda alert to have such a big number of strong echo users?

They are? The Scions mention them, we were just talking about Lyse mentioning them.

Yet the only one that they go to are us (until recently where known NPCs defeat old primals instead of us).

We're the head honcho, the main dude, the party leader. Eorzea is the land of the Karens, and if they want something done they speak to the Manager.

I mean, to be serious, most people don't even go to us, they go to the others Scions who then point us in the direction of the problem.

Why do we get the praise if we seemingly always need help? Why is Zenos looking up to us if we needed x other randoms to defeat him?

Why do we only talk about Sun Tzu, or Napoleon, or Ghengis Khan, or anyone really, when they couldn't have done any of it without their men?

Where did we get 23 strong adventurers to do the nier raid if we are in a whole other world?

There are still plenty of people in the first, and it's established that they have people who lead similar lifestyles to source adventurers, and the people of that world basically hero worship you. If you're going to pick examples from the First that don't make any sense that's probably one of the worst ones. Titania or Innocence, now they stretch plausibility.

After learning about our possible past life is it really that absurd that we would defeat primals alone?

Depends on the circumstances, sometimes yes, sometimes no. Also most people, and this thread is still technically about people who attack us, don't know anything about any of that. I imagine if random mooks were getting the 'Hades-vision' of us as an Ancient a lot of them would change their minds

When the only thing stopping most of the people is probably the whole being tempered thing?

What are you basing that on? Most people get their asses whooped just trying to clear Tam Tara.

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Look, if people want to go with solo-WoL as their idea of how the story is done, that's fine, doesn't affect me. The game though, in the English version at least, does not support it. While you can point to invidual instances of where it's a bit far-fetched for the WoL to go and get a party, you can't ignore the fact that any of us can fire up the game right now and read several journal entires that outright explicitly state that you partied up.

Even then though, all that still in some way feels a bit like quibbling about minor details while missing the bigger picture, not seeing the forest for the trees so to speak.

First. The game establishes that adventurers exist and that they often join up and work together. It's also established that guilds exist to facilitate this and one of the first things the game does is make you join one.

Second. Several NPCs mention, not commonly but often enough, that you have adventurers friends and tell you that you that it would be handy if you could fetch them. The idea that this is the exception to rule is bizarre to me. They'll tell you to get backup for something like Baelsar's Wall, but not give you chance to grab some friends before heading out to see Bismark? Don't think so.

Third. Taking a step back, you are still a mortal, that you've single-handedly defeated an invasion by an advanced army, ended a millennia long war against angry space aliens, liberated several nations across the world, and put 12,000 year old dimension hopping super beings on the back foot, all on your own, is stretching plausibility far more than the idea that before most of the major encounters you've had you got on your LS and called up some of the lads for help.

And Fourth. To take another step back, a bit of a meta one, the vast majority (maybe all?) of the main Final Fantasy games have had the main character backed up by a party.