I'm gonna say something unpopular: I don't like to rush.

[Nestama]

You are so incapable of understanding a rule of politeness (which seemed standard / normal when I was new) as one, that it's outright baffling to me.

If I'm the tank, I decide how much is pulled. If someone else is the tank, they decide the amount of mobs. It's as simple as that.

This philosophy has nothing to do with dictatorship (and you even going that far to put it that way makes me wonder several things); it's all about how much a tank has the courage to hold larger groups and / or if they trust the present healer.

If people find it amusing to willingly mess with that just because they are in a rush or whatever reason they may have, they deserve to get the aggro they provoked. Rushers can tank themselves or pick a friend to do so if they aren't able to cope with different kinds of tanks.

Mate, if you're choosing to do small pulls even after the Healer (and/or DPS) says you can do big pulls, then you absolutely are being a dictator. You're saying "I'm a tank and I alone decide how things are done." That is more impolite (heck, I'd even go as far as saying that's pretty damn rude) than a DPS/Healer pulling ahead and grabbing mobs for you.

There's no I in Team.

Here's the rest of what I said in what you left out in your quote (and I just don't feel like repeating myself):

Just tell them not to pull for you once everything is dealt with, or adjust to bigger pulls if the extra mobs didn't cause a wipe.

The only time small pulls > big pulls is if the DPS and healer are bad (don't AoE, don't DPS, undergeared, etc). Everyone controls the pace of the run. Not just the tank.

[RajNish]

It is nothing to do with comfort. The tanks that do single pulls are playing the game very, very badly. You do not want to justify bad play, ever.

No, they are not bad players. These people may have specific reasons for not doing large pulls, as Vahlnir mentioned above. To be honest, I am surprised by your ultimatum position, which runs counter to common sense.

Same could be said however to those who want to go slower, what you have to communicate is how you're going outside the norm either by being blazing fast or being slow as a snail

You want big pulls. Your tank doesn't make big pulls for some reason. Tell them about it instead of pulling as heal or dps. What is the problem?

[Eli85]

No, they are not bad players. These people may have specific reasons for not doing large pulls, as Vahlnir mentioned above. To be honest, I am surprised by your ultimatum position, which runs counter to common sense.

Do. Not. Justify. Bad. Play.

These players who do not do large pulls are either bad or ignorant. If one can safely do large pulls (which is true in the lion's share of cases, and only not true if you have no idea what your buttons do), and yet one chooses to do small pulls, one is playing poorly. It's amazing that there are some in this community who want to continue to see bad play propagated throughout the game.

[linayar]

If one can safely do large pulls (which is true in the lion's share of cases, and only not true if you have no idea what your buttons do), and yet one chooses to do small pulls, one is playing poorly.

Wrong. The game mechanic must provide negative consequence for playing poorly. Otherwise, it's just a playstyle preference.

[Doozer]

Wrong. The game mechanic must provide negative consequence for playing poorly. Otherwise, it's just a playstyle preference.

Exactly this. So long as the duty gets completed, there's no penalty, loss of rewards, etc., therefore it's not 'bad play'. It's just probably not time efficient, which matters to some people but not others.

[Awha]

Doing smaller pulls may be sub optimal, but would not go as far as saying you are a bad player, Just a less the ideal player in certain circumstances. Which is okay, but in the end do not expect people to just stand by and accept it though. Sure a person may be behind the screen but outside that fact random people you run in will not know why or for what reason one chooses to do things they way they want to do.

Personally I do not think people should be berated for difference in play style, but I also do not think people should force a group to play a certain way. Speak up, start a vote do something, but holding ones tongue and going with the flow begrudgingly just creates further issues down the line.

[Mixt]

"Always wall to wall pull!"

*Wall to wall pulls the mobs after the first boss in Ala Mhigo*

(SPLAT)

Well, that was predictable.


...Oh look, this healer wants to BIG PULL in Baldesions Arsenal...(SPLAT goes the group) Oh for the love of-


The last pull in The Burn, with a single-targeting DPS and a healer that keeps DPSing instead of healing even when healing is really needed, with deadly results. (SPLAT goes the group)

But no, you are not allowed to read the room and try to avoid an obvious outcome, that's being a dictator, gotta play along and allow the wipe to happen, then get blamed anyway for giving the group what they wanted, because they didn't like the result.


Or, when you read the room, realize that a big pull is not going to work, and then an impatient party member forces the matter and gets everyone killed, then acts like their own idiocy is the tanks fault, because clearly every mistake the rest of the group makes is purely the tanks fault, because the group says so, all evidence to the contrary is invalid.

And if you call them out on causing wipes and wasting even more time then they get all sorts of pissy.

[Vahlnir]

Or, when you read the room, realize that a big pull is not going to work, and then an impatient party member forces the matter and gets everyone killed, then acts like their own idiocy is the tanks fault, because clearly every mistake the rest of the group makes is purely the tanks fault, because the group says so, all evidence to the contrary is invalid.

This is exactly the sort of behavior a certain someone is promoting while crying out "DON'T PROMOTE BAD PLAY!" It's hypocritical at best. A good tank adapts to their situation. Should their situation be better at times? Yeah, I can't really argue that. There are "bad" players out there. Like I said in another thread though, that isn't entirely on the player base to address. The game itself does a poor job of promoting good/efficient gameplay because it really is easy for the vast majority of people. And even then, those who choose to improve will improve. Those who don't will not. It's as simple as that. The "you don't pay my sub" types won't improve no matter how hard anyone tries to help.

[Penthea]

Wrong. The game mechanic must provide negative consequence for playing poorly. Otherwise, it's just a playstyle preference.

I wish more people realised this. I prefer multi-pack pulls but this doesn't mean I think smaller or single-pack pulls are actually wrong.

A good tank adapts to their situation.

/thread

[Allegor]

Personally, and Inb4 "you can do that after the run is done" but sometimes I like to stare at how beautiful dungeons are (Grand Cosmos anyone?) or want to read those papers/notes/whatever that are sometimes scattered around dungeons/alliances. I like having sprouts in party, specially if they're the tanks, because then I have an excuse to not rush through everything. That's not to say big pulls and fast runs are bad - your playtime may be limited, maybe you're cooking, or should be asleep, or its close to daily reset, maybe you just don't like this dungeon, whatever the reason is just as valid.
Just saying that sometimes it feels good to not feel like you have a rope around your neck, specially as a tank or healer. I'm sure some people would love it if XIV had a "Mythic+" mode, but that's a whole other can of worms.