I'm gonna say something unpopular: I don't like to rush.

[linayar]

If one can safely do large pulls (which is true in the lion's share of cases, and only not true if you have no idea what your buttons do), and yet one chooses to do small pulls, one is playing poorly.

Wrong. The game mechanic must provide negative consequence for playing poorly. Otherwise, it's just a playstyle preference.

[Doozer]

Wrong. The game mechanic must provide negative consequence for playing poorly. Otherwise, it's just a playstyle preference.

Exactly this. So long as the duty gets completed, there's no penalty, loss of rewards, etc., therefore it's not 'bad play'. It's just probably not time efficient, which matters to some people but not others.

[Canadane]

Wrong. The game mechanic must provide negative consequence for playing poorly. Otherwise, it's just a playstyle preference.

The negative consequence would be a slower clear time.

[dangadget]

This is not a universal negative.
There is a very vocal, and frankly bizarre subset pf the community who looks at anything less than absolutely the fastest clears possible as some sort of personal affront.
And then there's everyone else, who just want people to genuinely try, ask questions if they're confused about something, and get through the instance with a minimum of fuss and muss

[Doozer]

The negative consequence would be a slower clear time.

Yeah, and if I sleep in an extra 20 minutes on the weekend, the negative consequence is that I'll have 20 minutes less of daytime to, uh, do daytime things. It does not, however, cost me my job, my education, my health, get me in legal trouble, etc.

There's no actual punishment for taking longer in a duty, as long as you finish it within the time it gives you. The only consequence to taking too long is running out of time and failing the duty, but that's like 90 minutes or something, and I've never in my entire time playing see a dungeon take the full duration.

[dangadget]

I've never in my entire time playing see a dungeon take the full duration.

Consider yourself lucky.
Once had a Keeper of the Lake run that ran out of time due to a first time healer who struggled mightily.
We were all supportive of her efforts (thus sticking out for the entire runtime) but for whatever reason, it just wasn't working out.
That's the thing though.
It was crystal clear that she was genuinely trying, so as painful as it was, I stuck it out and offered what help I could.
On the flip side, I have bailed on groups within the first 15 minutes as soon as it was clear that some of them were just screwing around

[linayar]

The negative consequence would be a slower clear time.

That's not a negative consequence in terms of game mechanic.

And sorry I couldn't reply to your other post earlier (at least, I think it was you) as the forum thinks I posted too many times.

But to answer that other question, if you can show someone how to improve (as opposed to simply telling them to improve) without being needlessly confrontational and/or insulting, then I don't consider that being toxic. For example, I've seen people simply say, "Please AOE." That's not toxic. I hope that clarifies it.

[Vahlnir]

But to answer that other question, if you can show someone how to improve (as opposed to simply telling them to improve) without being needlessly confrontational and/or insulting, then I don't consider that being toxic. For example, I've seen people simply say, "Please AOE." That's not toxic. I hope that clarifies it.

One time I said in Cutters Cry "melee LB" on the 2nd boss as a fellow dps who had only the ranged one available.. They used it, but then proceeded to tear into me because I was a mentor at the time. After that I was simply done with the whole Mentor thing and never looked back. I'd imagine the reaction might have been less severe had I not had my crown on though, but it goes to show that some people will take offense to anything. Never underestimate people. I don't encounter this sort of thing often and I don't think it's all that common, but it is truly something else when it does occur. Before that instance and after I have never seen someone react so negatively to LB calling, so it is most certainly an outlier of sorts. 99.99999% of the time the call goes out, the LB is performed (or not sometimes) and that's that.

[linayar]

One time I said in Cutters Cry "melee LB" on the 2nd boss as a fellow dps who had only the ranged one available.. They used it, but then proceeded to tear into me because I was a mentor at the time. After that I was simply done with the whole Mentor thing and never looked back. I'd imagine the reaction might have been less severe had I not had my crown on though, but it goes to show that some people will take offense to anything. Never underestimate people. I don't encounter this sort of thing often and I don't think it's all that common, but it is truly something else when it does occur.

Yeah, just going from your words, I don't understand what the issue is. Like, what did the other person complain about?

More importantly, people can take offense at anything nowadays, it seems, but that doesn't change what is actual toxicity.

[Vahlnir]

Like, what did the other person complain about?

Something along the lines of "you mentors act like you know everything blah blah blah". That was honestly it. I don't remember the entire conversation, only that my very taken aback self responded with something like "And people wonder why mentors don't help sometimes". Wasn't my finest moment, but I was just...shocked. Losing my cool isn't something that happens very often, so someone's really gotta press my buttons to make it happen. It was definitely that toxicity thing that people bring up around here pretty often. Thankfully it isn't as common as some believe.