I'm gonna say something unpopular: I don't like to rush.

[linayar]

I'll quote more when there's more that's deserving of a comment being made about it. And actually no what I understand is that some of us play the game correctly and yet many others play it very, very incorrectly.

There you go again with your condescending attitude, but that's fine, because in the end, it's the game and not you that will dictate whether someone plays it correctly.

Then it goes back to what I said about dps.
If you pull a pack of mobs, you should come to the assumption you should aoe not ST.
So by your logic, a dps isn't dpsing because they're using ST and not AOE because they're not hitting ALL of them.

I would indeed expect people to AOE the entire pack (that goes for tanks and healers as well), but other than the tank, I wouldn't blame people if they don't use AOE because last time I check, Hall of the Novice actually tells people to focus on the tank's primary target. So meh.

Then queue as a tank and do the job you signed up for. I'm expected as a DPS to blast through mobs and as a healer I'm expected to keep everyone alive and blast mobs. I don't see why a lazy tank can get a pass and get away with doing the bare minimum.

Sorry, that's a false equivalence. You're expected to do your role according to the size of the mobs attacking your party. There is nothing about your role that dictates you need to be facing a certain number of enemies at the same time. So if the tank is supposed to handle all the mobs attacking the party, then the healers/dps should do the courtesy of not pulling more mobs and just deal with that the tanks are tanking, though you can certainly encourage them to pull more.

I'm not sure how you can equate someone single pulling out of necessity and someone single pulling because they're lazy, but congrats. Also, very ironic

I don't see how you can look at what you quoted and then type what you posted.

[Lucy_Pyre]

There you go again with your condescending attitude, but that's fine, because in the end, it's the game and not you that will dictate whether someone plays it correctly.

Well, you're right about one thing; it is the game that dictates whether or not you're playing it correctly. Sadly, most are firmly in the 'not playing it correctly' camp.

[linayar]

Well, you're right about one thing; it is the game that dictates whether or not you're playing it correctly. Sadly, most are firmly in the 'not playing it correctly' camp.

Well, if I get through my roulettes at reasonable times, they're playing it correctly enough.

[xxvaynxx]

I would indeed expect people to AOE the entire pack (that goes for tanks and healers as well), but other than the tank, I wouldn't blame people if they don't use AOE because last time I check, Hall of the Novice actually tells people to focus on the tank's primary target. So meh.

Glad you're ok with people playing like utter s**t.
And people wonder why we have so many bad players in expert roulette.
Dps that ST mobs, tanks that pull only one pack and don't know how to use their defensive cooldowns and healers that stand there and heal a 90% full HP tank and not dps.
But we can blame the hall of novice guys!

[Kalker]

Sorry, that's a false equivalence. You're expected to do your role according to the size of the mobs attacking your party. There is nothing about your role that dictates you need to be facing a certain number of enemies at the same time.

Like I said if you're gonna tank as well as a DPS you might as well queue as one. You're not given mitigation tools, extra defense and a bigger HP pool so you can do jack with them, the game is clearly telling you to pull more than what a DPS can handle.

I don't see how you can look at what you quoted and then type of what you posted.

Simple, me being able to heal a DPS doesn't make a single pulling tank any less lazier. I obviously don't think it's easier to tank with a DPS and don't see how that should change my views on "You pull you tank" being a garbage mentality. Thinking that somehow I should be OK with it because "just heal them lol it's the same" is a false equivalency.

[linayar]

Glad you're ok with people playing like utter s**t.
And people wonder why we have so many bad players in expert roulette.
Dps that ST mobs, tanks that pull only one pack and don't know how to use their defensive cooldowns and healers that stand there and heal a 90% full HP tank and not dps.
But we can blame the hall of novice guys!

So, I'm only talking about pulling single packs and you're adding in other things like not knowing how to use defensive cooldowns. Quite a strawman there.

obviously don't think it's easier to tank with a DPS

Good, then let the tank pull.

[xxvaynxx]

So, I'm only talking about pulling single packs and you're adding in other things like not knowing how to use defensive cooldowns. Quite a strawman there.

Huh?
The bit about using defensive cooldowns wasn't even directed towards you and was just more a general sense on why people question why people are so bad or why its accepted.
Just pointed out the common things you see from bad players.


Though I do love how you always ignore my whole post just to point out one thing.
Just so you have something to say.


Now this WAS directed towards you.
You're ok with people pulling only single packs of mobs, which is why I said you're ok with people playing like garbage if you're so hell bent on thinking that's ok, when mobs hit like a wet noodle even when you're decently geared for said dgn.
Gonna say its fair to assume you tank like this, as I don't think "good" tanks would defend this sort of lazy play.
If you're playing a tank in a endgame dungeon or a dungeon WAY Past the ARR stages.
But I guess you want HoN to teach people how to pull a large mobs?

[Daibunnie]

Wonder what would happen if the instance timer for dungeons were 30 minutes instead of 90.

[Bopsheezi]

Wonder what would happen if the instance timer for dungeons were 30 minutes instead of 90.

As long as the timer stops after the boss so I can go back to spawn and explore, by all means.

[Ultimatecalibur]

Wonder what would happen if the instance timer for dungeons were 30 minutes instead of 90.

Dungeons would be even shorter. Likely just a corridor with a single boss and people would be complaining about tanks doing single pack pulls instead of the full corridor pulls.