I'm gonna say something unpopular: I don't like to rush.

[Vahlnir]

Well aren't you just lucky. Sure, single pulling tanks aren't the *sole* reason for a 30 minute dungeon but it sure is a significant contributing factor. At the end of the day this is a team based game, and as such we should all expect a basic level of competency from everyone in our party, regardless of role. Tanks should be expected to pull fast & as much as they can handle while still doing good DPS, DPS should be expected to do good DPS and use any party-aiding abilities they have (Trick Attack, Mantra, etc), healers should be expected to keep people from falling onto the floor (unless they're just going out of their way to try to die) while still doing decent amount DPS. None of these things require optimal play or 'savage-level skill'. Just some basic competency to do your job properly.

I've seen some dungeons cleared faster from single pulling than by tanks who think they're god tier and pull the entire world because they can't read a room and realize that the dps and/or healer aren't quite up to par. With a good group, massive pulls are great. With a bad group in one aspect or another...it can actually be detrimental.

[Bopsheezi]

I had two of them last night. You're really underestimating how trash some people in this game are. Hell, I've had a small handful of runs that took over 40 minutes, and one of my friends actually had a dungeon run so long that the instance timed out because his party kept wiping to Mist Dragon regardless of mechanics being explained. But yeah, seeing the true depths of bads in this game is 'exaggerating'.

Then you are the unluckiest person in this game. And in that case I pity you. I may not have the play time you do, as I came in around 3.5, but not once have I seen a dungeon take more than 30 minutes. Not back when I'm a DPS, not when I'm a healer, and especially not when I'm the tank. So either you are exaggerating, or I'm the luckiest person in this thread.

[Vahlnir]

Then you are the unluckiest person in this game. And in that case I pity you. I may not have the play time you do, as I came in around 3.5, but not once have I seen a dungeon take more than 30 minutes. Not back when I'm a DPS, not when I'm a healer, and especially not when I'm the tank. So either you are exaggerating, or I'm the luckiest person in this thread.

I find it somewhat questionable that, since you have been around that long, you haven't seen a 30 minute dungeon at least once. They aren't common, but they do happen.

[linayar]

Well aren't you just lucky. Sure, single pulling tanks aren't the *sole* reason for a 30 minute dungeon but it sure is a significant contributing factor. At the end of the day this is a team based game, and as such we should all expect a basic level of competency from everyone in our party, regardless of role. Tanks should be expected to pull fast & as much as they can handle while still doing good DPS, DPS should be expected to do good DPS and use any party-aiding abilities they have (Trick Attack, Mantra, etc), healers should be expected to keep people from falling onto the floor (unless they're just going out of their way to try to die) while still doing decent amount DPS. None of these things require optimal play or 'savage-level skill'. Just some basic competency to do your job properly.

The problem is you're overestimating what is basic competency. Single pulling a dungeon and still not taking 30+ minutes to clear it is basic competency.

I find it somewhat questionable that, since you have been around that long, you haven't seen a 30 minute dungeon at least once. They aren't common, but they do happen.

I've seen them happen, but not due to single pulling. There were other problems as I've had a dungeon take that long even when the tank isn't single pulling.

[Bopsheezi]

I find it somewhat questionable that, since you have been around that long, you haven't seen a 30 minute dungeon at least once. They aren't common, but they do happen.

Like I said, either people are exaggerating, or I'm the luckiest guy here. Or maybe I'm sooooo bad I'm getting carried that hard.

[Lucy_Pyre]

The person egotistical enough to think they can pull whatever they want and still have the tank take care of their enemies for them is complaining about ego, especially after gloating over kicking people before the end of dungeon. You really are an utter hypocrite.

Not really. I just actually understand how the game functions, or is supposed to function. As the tank you're expected to be the one being the fastest of the party and at the front of the other three. If you aren't doing that you simply aren't doing your job and someone else in the party may decide to do your job for you. If that happens you should take that as an indicator that you are failing to do your job and move faster. If the party isn't capable of handing bigger pulls than what is currently being done then the person pulling more shouldn't do it, but the majority of cases is not that. The majority of cases is simply a tank being lazy and thinking that their desire to be slow overwrites the desire of the other three to go fast, and if one of those other three decides to go fast anyways (as they should) then the tank should accept the majority rule and pick up their slack. If they fail to do so then they'll simply be kicked.

Single pulling a dungeon is basic competency.

No it's not lol

Or maybe I'm sooooo bad I'm getting carried that hard.

Not unlikely.

[Vahlnir]

Single-pulling AT ALL means the basic competency isn't there.

Pulling and holding threat, even if it is one group at a time, is basic competency. Is it efficient? Not really. That's more of a community standard than a competency check.

[linayar]

Not really. I just actually understand how the game functions

What you don't understand is that the game functions in more ways than your own limited view of how it functions.

No it's not lol

Interesting that you've chosen not to quote the entire sentence.

Single-pulling AT ALL means the basic competency isn't there.

Not if you can still accomplish your task within reasonable time.

[xxvaynxx]

Nope, because they're not tanking in that situation. Pulling one pack is tanking as long as you're tanking the whole pack because the second pack isn't trying to kill your party.

Well if you have aggro on a mob, (technically you "are" tanking.) Just not doing a good job.
Sound familiar? Realize how silly that sounds now?

Because that's what you said few posts back or rather, something similar.
Don't try to back paddle.

[Bopsheezi]

Not unlikely.

Ah man, how am I ever going to recover from this? 3 or so years, and just now I've been called bad? Lucy I'm absolutely crushed!