I'm gonna say something unpopular: I don't like to rush.

[linayar]

Well if you have aggro on a mob, technically you "are" tanking. Just not doing a good job.
Sound familiar? Realize how silly that sounds now?

Because that's what you said few posts back or rather, something similar.
Don't try to back paddle.

No need to. I know what I said:

Pulling 1 pack at a time is already tanking a dungeon.

Pulling 1 pack also comes with the assumption that you are tanking the whole pack, not just have aggro on one mob. The fact that you're trying to be obtuse about it is not on me.

[Vahlnir]

No, it's not. Pulling and holding thread is the very basics of the job. If someone isn't able to pop Rampart + their other major cooldown while pressing a few buttons and picking up a few packs, they lack competency. If that's "competency" to you, then, to be blunt, you are not a competent tank.

I adhere to the community standard of massive pulls and I consider myself to be a very competent tank, though like everyone I'm not immune to making mistakes now and then. I was just giving my opinion on the matter, but you are free to think whatever you like about me. No skin off my back. There's a difference between doing one's job, and doing one's job well and efficiently. I consider someone that is capable of "just doing their job", such as pulling and holding threat, as being competent at a basic level. I never said it was good though. Obviously it is not the best way to play.

[Lucy_Pyre]

What you don't understand is that the game functions in more ways than your own limited view of how it functions.

Interesting that you've chosen not to quote the entire sentence.

I'll quote more when there's more that's deserving of a comment being made about it. And actually no what I understand is that some of us play the game correctly and yet many others play it very, very incorrectly.

[xxvaynxx]

No need to. I know what I said:

Pulling 1 pack also comes with the assumption that you are tanking the whole pack, not just have aggro on one mob. The fact that you're trying to be obtuse about it is not on me.

Then it goes back to what I said about dps.
If you pull a pack of mobs, you should come to the assumption you should aoe not ST.
So by your logic, a dps isn't dpsing because they're using ST and not AOE because they're not hitting ALL of them.

[Kalker]

It wouldn't be an extra 3 minutes as those would-be tanks might clog up the dps queues as well. And even now, in cases where tanks left/gets kicked, I've seen wait times for replacements (if people don't abandon/leave) longer than any single-pack-pulling tank could make a dungeon take longer unless the entire group is lacking.

And that also doesn't do any good for the tank who can still queue faster as a tank.

Then queue as a tank and do the job you signed up for. I'm expected as a DPS to blast through mobs and as a healer I'm expected to keep everyone alive and blast mobs. I don't see why a lazy tank can get a pass and get away with doing the bare minimum.

Fallacious argument. That you can tank with a DPS doesn't mean you can't do it easier/better with using an actual tank.

Otherwise, if you really think that, then you'd have no problem with "you pull, you tank" attitude. After all, you can heal through them just the same.

I'm not sure how you can equate someone single pulling out of necessity and someone single pulling because they're lazy, but congrats. Also, very ironic

[linayar]

I'll quote more when there's more that's deserving of a comment being made about it. And actually no what I understand is that some of us play the game correctly and yet many others play it very, very incorrectly.

There you go again with your condescending attitude, but that's fine, because in the end, it's the game and not you that will dictate whether someone plays it correctly.

Then it goes back to what I said about dps.
If you pull a pack of mobs, you should come to the assumption you should aoe not ST.
So by your logic, a dps isn't dpsing because they're using ST and not AOE because they're not hitting ALL of them.

I would indeed expect people to AOE the entire pack (that goes for tanks and healers as well), but other than the tank, I wouldn't blame people if they don't use AOE because last time I check, Hall of the Novice actually tells people to focus on the tank's primary target. So meh.

Then queue as a tank and do the job you signed up for. I'm expected as a DPS to blast through mobs and as a healer I'm expected to keep everyone alive and blast mobs. I don't see why a lazy tank can get a pass and get away with doing the bare minimum.

Sorry, that's a false equivalence. You're expected to do your role according to the size of the mobs attacking your party. There is nothing about your role that dictates you need to be facing a certain number of enemies at the same time. So if the tank is supposed to handle all the mobs attacking the party, then the healers/dps should do the courtesy of not pulling more mobs and just deal with that the tanks are tanking, though you can certainly encourage them to pull more.

I'm not sure how you can equate someone single pulling out of necessity and someone single pulling because they're lazy, but congrats. Also, very ironic

I don't see how you can look at what you quoted and then type what you posted.

[Lucy_Pyre]

There you go again with your condescending attitude, but that's fine, because in the end, it's the game and not you that will dictate whether someone plays it correctly.

Well, you're right about one thing; it is the game that dictates whether or not you're playing it correctly. Sadly, most are firmly in the 'not playing it correctly' camp.

[linayar]

Well, you're right about one thing; it is the game that dictates whether or not you're playing it correctly. Sadly, most are firmly in the 'not playing it correctly' camp.

Well, if I get through my roulettes at reasonable times, they're playing it correctly enough.

[xxvaynxx]

I would indeed expect people to AOE the entire pack (that goes for tanks and healers as well), but other than the tank, I wouldn't blame people if they don't use AOE because last time I check, Hall of the Novice actually tells people to focus on the tank's primary target. So meh.

Glad you're ok with people playing like utter s**t.
And people wonder why we have so many bad players in expert roulette.
Dps that ST mobs, tanks that pull only one pack and don't know how to use their defensive cooldowns and healers that stand there and heal a 90% full HP tank and not dps.
But we can blame the hall of novice guys!

[Bopsheezi]

I'm glad we have yet another one of these threads. The old one was getting so stale.

Never change XIV community. Never change.