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    Maltothoris's Avatar
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    Malto Thoris
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Sora_Oathkeeper View Post
    NIN loses 15% haste, costing them 1 ninjutsu- a small price to pay for what is gained.
    Even then once yo get the timing down, ninjas can still enter those fights with long cutscenes by using huton at the last possible second and they would still have 10-15 seconds, enough time for them to get an armor crush before it wears off. Though the rest of it still stands.

    Mnk really just started to suffering when they were adding ways to maintain gl because it came at the cost of other skills as well. Not to mention they've gotten rid of skills for their rotation like howling fist and steel peak. And the fact that enlightenment is just howling fist from 46 to 74 with the one upside being that it could be spammed in rare cases.
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    Adrila Messor
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maltothoris View Post
    Not to mention they've gotten rid of skills for their rotation like howling fist and steel peak. And the fact that enlightenment is just howling fist from 46 to 74 with the one upside being that it could be spammed in rare cases.
    Can't wait to see tornado kick becoming the old howling fist with the rework. :x

    Tbh I'm looking forward to see what they can do with this ability now that it has gotten rid off its GL restraint. I hope that it needs RoF to be used, and puts an end to RoF when used. This at least would make it fun and increase the use of a cool looking skill by a lot.
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    Still not sure if Samurai's a tank who forgot that aggro was a thing or a dps that's way too much into it.

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    Kakita Ucalibur
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliadil View Post
    I hope that it needs RoF to be used, and puts an end to RoF when used. This at least would make it fun and increase the use of a cool looking skill by a lot.
    Are you suggesting they turn it into Confiteor?
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    Mike Aettir
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur View Post
    Are you suggesting they turn it into Confiteor?
    Except it wouldn't be the same and would be far more frustrating to use. Remember, during Requiescat, you get 5 GCDs which are limited by your MP. Confiteor just replaces Holy Spirit in the last cast. The only reason Confiteor gets rid of Requiescat is so that you cannot spam Confiteor throughout the duration.

    With Tornado Kick and Riddle of Fire, you do not have a specific number of GCDs you have to use, it is (theoretically) completely dependant on skill speed. This then causes the issue of, can I get another GCD in before I tornado Kick, if I can get one in, will the delay cause me to miss the Tornado Kick, or should I cut it short for Tornado Kick etc. It just turns into a guessing game as opposed to Confiteor where you always use it in the same place.
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    Adrila Messor
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur View Post
    Are you suggesting they turn it into Confiteor?
    I was more thinking of Bahamut Trance and Death Flare who ends the buff, but yeah.
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    Still not sure if Samurai's a tank who forgot that aggro was a thing or a dps that's way too much into it.

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    Sora Oathkeeper
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    Pugilist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Maltothoris View Post
    Even then once yo get the timing down, ninjas can still enter those fights with long cutscenes by using huton at the last possible second and they would still have 10-15 seconds, enough time for them to get an armor crush before it wears off. Though the rest of it still stands.
    Yeah, so far the only exceptions since ShB is Hades EX I think. I progged Alex Ultimate and Eden's Verse Savage on NIN and you could literally huton before the transitions and still have it up afterwards. It's insane how good NIN has transitions.
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