"Elitism" vs "Casualism"

[JohnSpawnVFX]

The overwhelming majority of players in forums are not casual. Casual players don't care enough about the game to sit in here talking about it all day; if the forums were for casuals they'd be packed. No, forums are usually where a relatively small group of veterans and tryhards hang out, usually to call everyone else in the game "bad" and make themselves feel hardcore. It's as true in this game as in every other MMO.

Not every casual being interested in the forums =/= "forums are not for casuals"

Given all the bad gameplay coddling going around here, they ARE packed with them.

[Goji1639]

Not every casual being interested in the forums =/= "forums are not for casuals"

Given all the bad gameplay coddling going around here, they ARE packed with them.

There's maybe 10 people who actively participate in these discussions. Roughly 3 are just claiming you should try to help casual players in private if you're going to, because doing it in public is rude, and roughly 6-7 of you are saying "I don't care if I'm rude because blah blah tryhard bs!"

So yea, just a typically small community of not so casual players having the same discussions that happen on every MMO board.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

There's maybe 10 people who actively participate in these discussions. Roughly 3 are just claiming you should try to help casual players in private if you're going to, because doing it in public is rude, and roughly 6-7 of you are saying "I don't care if I'm rude because blah blah tryhard bs!"

So yea, just a typically small community of not so casual players having the same discussions that happen on every MMO board.

There's much more than 10 people actively participating on this thread on this thread alone. Those 3 are using a false excuse to coddle bad gameplay at best, and covering their own incompetence/laziness (or a mix of both) at worst, and the roughly 6-7 are just calling it out and advocating for a paradigm where everyone is much better off, and no one has to carry or be a burden to anyone else.

[Goji1639]

There's much more than 10 people actively participating on this thread on this thread alone. Those 3 are using a false excuse to coddle bad gameplay at best, and covering their own incompetence/laziness (or a mix of both) at worst, and the roughly 6-7 are just calling it out and advocating for a paradigm where everyone is much better off, and no one has to carry or be a burden to anyone else.

So, being polite is unacceptable because it coddles bad gameplay? That is a difficult position to defend; I hope your support system here is ready to help you with that.

Or you could just give advice in private; which is the socially responsible method that most people use, because it isn't as confrontational as picking someone apart in public is. If you choose to be rude people will respond to you as if you're being rude.

Geezus, Goji. Learn how to have a proper discussion with people you disagree with. Comments like that do not help you at all.

I've made my position here clear multiple times. Now that responses to my points are "people agree with me, so ha!" how serious and proper do you expect me to remain? This isn't a real discussion anymore.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

So, being polite is unacceptable because it coddles bad gameplay? That is a difficult position to defend; I hope your support system here is ready to help you with that.

Or you could just give advice in private; which is the socially responsible method that most people use, because it isn't as confrontational as picking someone apart in public is. If you choose to be rude people will respond to you as if you're being rude.

I'd question your support system, if you take any advice in public as a personal attack. Sounds like you can't handle criticism well.

You're coddling bad gameplay because giving advice in private to anyone who you come across is not only much more unwieldly but also completely unnecessary, so you'd rather forgo advicing in general.

[Goji1639]

I'd question your support system, if you take any advice in public as a personal attack. Sounds like you can't handle criticism well.

You're coddling bad gameplay because giving advice in private to anyone who you come across is not only much more unwieldly but also completely unnecessary, so you'd rather forgo advicing in general.

Calling someone out in public has always been interpreted as personal. Blame society for developing that psychological tick if you don't like it, but the fact still remains that it's a dick move.

I'm not even saying you can't do it, but understand that it's rude and that being rude to someone means they're less likely to be receptive of your advice.

[Lucy_Pyre]

Calling someone out in public has always been interpreted as personal.

For the last f'ing time, giving someone advice =/= calling someone out.

[Kanjien]

Here is the thing about feedback, it is a necessary and useful method to improve results in any endeavor IF done correctly. If you want the results you need to make sure your feedback will be received positively or you will just put the other person immediately on the defensive and the feedback will be lost. If all you are trying to do is show how great you are then that will be an acceptable result for you. If you are really committed to improving the performance of the other person then you will make sure your feedback is given in the right way. Also you will be open to feedback yourself...such as methods to make your feedback more positive and successful. I know I am not a very good player. I have limited time to play but I still try to read things that will help me improve my game. I am open to feedback in game and I don't wear my feelings on my shoulder or get defensive. Not everyone is put together that way. I also know that no matter the quality of the feedback I get, I will never be as good as some of you are...it is physically impossible now, but I will try to be as good as I can be. Both sides in this argument are trying to get to the same result, an enjoyable experience while playing the game, the difference is small between the two but sometimes we make it seem like a cavernous canyon that no one can cross. Myself included, so I apologize for my divisive rhetoric earlier, it was uncalled for. I am grumpy...sometimes I can't help myself.