It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Xtrasweettea]

I feel like you're not reading because I don't agree with you. for the last time. People haven't made this topic before about bikini girls because thats been a thing in mmos since the start. If thats not true why is this coming up now? OH... I know why.. because recently men can wear dresses now. If not then wny now and not years ago? There.

To add to this, here is what OP admitted bout 20+ pages in:

Yes, I Co-lead a glamour based FC. We have glamour events often, and I love the galmour system.

When I mentioned "I know people who Glam dresses on guys and all of them, literally every single one of them does it to troll,' it's SPECIFICALLy, BECAUSE I lead a glamour based FC and people on my server know us to be fashionista. (So most people who are very serious about glam hang out with us)

I do not hate glamour. But I do hate that I cannot choose to hide player glamour, when so often player glamour is used to rile, upset and troll people.

PS, 99%of my glamour are other plate peices, you just so happy to see my profile when I was messing around with stuff. That does not change the facts that I love glamour, and also feel like I should be able to hide some people 'EXPRESSING' to the community they only want to be obnoxious.

This thread, at least to me, was created because of males character's being able to wear clothes usually dedicated to female characters and the OP wanted an option to be able to filter out glamours.

[Voidedge_Ragna]

I dont see the harm in this, the person using it would customize their on view of the game, there is no impact on other player. You still see yourself the way you want to and wont know who uses it and who doesnt.

This equals to: if i put on blue tinted glasses, why is the person in front of me screaming "omg im blue now" your perception is not changed, you dont even know.
Other npcs do use glams yea but even that is client based and reflect what the current player wants, noone is gonna cry "i dont like how you glam up Zhloe" because you dont see it.

Give them the option to null all glams BUT also make sure that effects themselves, the players glam should also reflect the truth then, no double floors, all or nothing.

[Controller]

I dont see the harm in this, the person using it would customize their on view of the game, there is no impact on other player. You still see yourself the way you want to and wont know who uses it and who doesnt.

This equals to: if i put on blue tinted glasses, why is the person in front of me screaming "omg im blue now" your perception is not changed, you dont even know.
Other npcs do use glams yea but even that is client based and reflect what the current player wants, noone is gonna cry "i dont like how you glam up Zhloe" because you dont see it.

Give them the option to null all glams BUT also make sure that effects themselves, the players glam should also reflect the truth then, no double floors, all or nothing.

They aren't going to agree with that. The people who want this option don't want to change themselves. They want to change other people so asking them to agree to it effecting them too isn't going to fly. If I wanted this option it'll be for everyone else.. not so much me. Just wanted to point that out. Adding to this to make it clearer here.

you are asking for the change to effect even the person who wants the change. The people asking for this aren't the people wearing frog suits or putting men in dresses. So they don't want to change themselves. That's why I don't think they would agree to an all or nothing rule.

[Shougun]

I'm not sure I'm following one side of this argument and am hoping someone can enlighten me.
Some people want to turn off glams because seeing people in bikini and frog costumes is "immersion breaking."
But...
Those characters literally AREN'T wearing bikinis and frog costumes. They're wearing full plate and using magic to express themselves.
Is that so unrealistic? Especially when NPCs use glamours to do the same thing?

I think first it's important to remember immersion isn't simply realism, you could be immersed in Saints Row but that game is hardly that serious or hyper realistic.

Second it's important to remember that visuals tell a story, as I suggested to someone else don't think of immersion if all you hear is realism, think of being a professional making a game and having to convey something. Cloud in dress scene, great, Cloud in thong to do the final battle with Sephiroth- not great. Now you might let players optionally do that because if they want to, then back to great. But clearly as a professional if you wanted to tell this epic serious moment you'd very very likely not do certain things.

Presentation matters when telling a story, there is some subjectivity but it is a thing that matters- you can't have the same grand last stand in Lord of the Rings if instead of armor Aragorn was oiled up and wearing his favorite pink unicorn BDSM outfit.

So while I think we all might find certain outfits more or less compelling to story I hope we can move past difficulties using the word immersion (doesn't mean realism) and focus on that visuals convey emotions and meaning and when you're doing your major story point content someone in the cutscenes could sharply change the vibe of the scene with such outfits. Now the 800th time I've done the MSQ roulette I find the mascot and skimpy stuff hilarious cause the roulette is not serious to /me/ anymore, but having my final first time ran dungeon with a bikini snowman takes a bit out of the experience.

Ah, that helps clarify things for me. Thanks.
I got too stuck in the headspace of "it's lore consistent so if you're immersed this shouldn't be a hiccup."

Np~ and thank you

[ItMe]

I think first it's important to remember immersion isn't simply realism, you could be immersed in saints row but that game is hardly that serious or hyper realistic.


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Presentation matters when telling a story, there is some subjectivity but it is a thing that matters- you can't have the same grand last stand in Lord of the rings if instead of armor Aragorn was oiled up and wearing his favorite pink unicorn BDSM outfit

Ah, that helps clarify things for me. Thanks.
I got too stuck in the headspace of "it's lore consistent so if you're immersed this shouldn't be a hiccup."

[Ibkee]

I don't even know why this is up for debate. More options are a good thing. A more personalized FFXIV experience isn't a bad thing to wish for.

They aren't going to agree with that. The people who want this option don't want to change themselves. They want to change other people so asking them to agree to it effecting them too isn't going to fly. If I wanted this option it'll be for everyone else.. not so much me. Just wanted to point that out.

Players already can change everyone else's glamour and even appearance. You honestly think everyone sees you running around in Faire Joi and Mog Station Carbuncle shoes? For a start, there are those of us who simply don't notice fem miqo seekers because they are literally everywhere and all look the same. Then there are those who never leave the radius of their personal/fc house. And on top of that, you can even switch the game files to do exactly what this feature would enable, quite easily too.

But then, it isn't about you - I know you think it is, but it isn't. For those who want this option, it's about improving their experience. It does nothing to harm or hinder you, just as the guy currently switching Carbuncle Shoes with Chokka 55 doesn't harm or hinder you. You may think it's stupid or petty, but for that individual it matters.

[Controller]

I don't even know why this is up for debate. More options are a good thing. A more personalized FFXIV experience isn't a bad thing to wish for.



Players already can change everyone else's glamour and even appearance. You honestly think everyone sees you running around in Faire Joi and Mog Station Carbuncle shoes? For a start, there are those of us who simply don't notice fem miqo seekers because they are literally everywhere and all look the same. Then there are those who never leave the radius of their personal/fc house. And on top of that, you can even switch the game files to do exactly what this feature would enable, quite easily too.

But then, it isn't about you - I know you think it is, but it isn't. For those who want this option, it's about improving their experience. It does nothing to harm or hinder you, just as the guy currently switching Carbuncle Shoes with Chokka 55 doesn't harm or hinder you. You may think it's stupid or petty, but for that individual it matters.

Ummm. You sure that reply is for me bro? Go look at what I was replying too. Just to help you. I was replying to someone asking for the change you want to effect YOU TOO. And I was telling her that the people asking for it don't want to change them. Its everyone else. Reading. Do it. and just to set this record correct. In case you think you know my opinion point to where I said as such. Point to where I said such. Please. Cause it seems like you too didn't READ. Go back.. and read my post. Cause no where did I state I cared. What I was replying to was I disagree because the OP seems to be closeminded and only posted this topic because men can now wear dresses. THAT is why I disagree. Because I don't want to support her idea because it comes from a toxic place.

[Krotoan]

Insults? I'm not projecting shiz. I just think it's stupid to cry over men in dresses in a video game where everyday we fight GODs, demons, dragons, robots and time travel. We already broke the wall of being -realistic- when miqo were designed. So realistic can't be it. As this was never that. And that and I'm not going to let OP forget that she started this thread because men in dresses happened. 5.2 happened and all of a sudden it's too much for her? Yeah right no dice. If men in dresses are so bad then she needs to relax. Cause it's just a video game. Noone is dying because some players want to look goofy. That's one of the things you have to deal with when you play with other people. If that's too much then maybe mmos aren't for you.

Not intended as an insult. I'm saying it because the OP literally addresses it within their post. They KNOW people are going to go on tirades about how "OH ITS CAUSE THE DRESSES ALONE!". Yet you persist on focusing on that point. Yes.. they said the words men in dresses twice, admitted. But you need to discuss where we are in the conversation, not what someone said once.

nobody is dying for ANYTHING in this game, but as we keep saying it would be nice if we could control our experience in this game we pay to play on our hardware we paid for using the internet service we pay to access. You can keep trying to call out the OP but as we're nearly 250 pages in and the conversation is HERE and not THERE. I am not OP, my problems are not theirs but the feature we're discussing would be nice to have.

[Joven]

I feel like you're not reading because I don't agree with you. for the last time. People haven't made this topic before about bikini girls because thats been a thing in mmos since the start. If thats not true why is this coming up now? OH... I know why.. because recently men can wear dresses now. If not then wny now and not years ago? There.

It doesn't matter whether bikini girls have been a thing in MMOs since the beginning. It doesn't matter if it has or hasn't been discussed on here in the past and it doesn't matter the timing. What matters is that we're discussing this now. Discussing a potential feature that does not harm anyone regardless of the reasoning behind it. (FYI bikini girls in games have been a controversy almost as old as gaming in the same vein as violence in games. Just because it hasn’t been discussed here doesn’t mean it hasn’t been discussed before elsewhere.)

Make a glam filter that changes all players into godbert with a weapon depending the job.

I'd go for that. Godbert is a legend.

[Awha]

I just do not get it, for many video games are an escape and all this suggestion would do is allow for people to have a little extra control over their own play experience. I get also for many this game allows them to do things they could not easily do IRL, such as marry a same sex partner. I have friends that this meant a lot to. I just do not get in the context of a video game why is it okay tonbe inclusive to some, but not others within this context. Personally I do not think it is fair to reject an entre idea simply because some people will misuse it. Also while I may not agree with a lot of the views people have if someone does not want to see my msle character in a weeding dress I rather give them an option to not see it while also being able to enjoy the game. I glam for myself, if others want to see cool, if not that is also cool. I will not change my outfit to meet another standards, but I do welcome the idea of allowing plsyers to filter their experience. In the end it is not my desire to offend someone with my glam.

Overall I think people need to step back and not be so emotional about this. I do think once they do people will see this is a fairly harmless feature unless one starts to project the worst possibile outcomes. I am a big fan of the idea we cannot control others. So giving players more personsl options to control their own gameplay is an overall positive thing. Since in the end my own game play experience was not changed.