It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[AFNeko]

This is the kinda stuff that makes the game worth playing. Does the term Extreme Raid Progression mean nothing?

[Doozer]

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It's funny that you provided that because -- while it's not personally a Thing I Like (I prefer to wear more complex ensembles), the game allows you to wear it, so it's not my place to demand that the devs allow me to hide it when I can literally just turn the camera away for free if it really bothers me that much. Which it doesn't, and I usually just look at people and move on. No reason to get triggered over a bikini. Not sure why some people are just so upset by stuff like that, that they need an adult to cover their eyes for them.

[Shougun]

Before the glamour system came out I had wanted this . . just because I think skimpy gear is silly for job activities (although my opinion has changed/evolved quite a bit since then), like I'm glad the gear types exist for beaches and stuff (towns) because it seems 'right' for that content, but bikini tanks always take me out of the game experience. Nothing better than a serious cutscene against the big bad, their big talk and sincere display, and then there is this naked casino girl or snowman in the background. For some content you really can't 'just turn the camera away', stop looking at battle or the cutscene? lol. Certainly in town you can but that's when I don't care either so no point to turn. Of course just to be cute one might say people's outfit choices are so bad they might wish they could turn those off too lol "your shoe choice is awful, knock it off".

As I've been around the system, I can absolutely 'get over it' but that dress style directly has an impact on how 'immersed' I am with certain settings (mascot outfits in town are fantastic, mascot outfit in a dungeon makes me think the dungeon is a joke too).

That said I think most people I party with are not that, or at least are believably geared even if a bit loose, like a lot of FF characters are not equipped to the teeth but are a least wearing stuff (Tifa? lol). Most people have as much clothes as Tifa . It's only the really naked or joke stuff that takes me out. Since the majority are actually either quite good or normal I don't even want to bother turning off the glamour system, just find the bikini/mascot stuff jarring.

Personally still wished the game's gear had some sort of tag system, where like white mages wore anything that was tagged either white mage or cloth, and anything tagged like "festive" would be for social occasions only (so no chocobo mascots in my final MSQ dungeon, noting of course for most mascot stuff you can only wear the head since the other parts are usually multi-part).

At this point if I had to choose glamour system or no glamour system, I'd absolutely say the cost is worth it because it adds so much value to the game for people (and I am a big supporter that they make their glamour log far more comprehensive), but if someone were to put the button for restrictions on bikinis in content that isn't supposed to be a big joke.. I might seriously look at that button. Hesitance from the fact that most people I play with are not like that, and I think taking away options just feels terrible, but.. if this was a new mmorpg.. okay I'm slapping the no bikini knight option lol. I'd still want bikini / mascot stuff to still be in the game though, and I'd also encourage a social outfit feature so people can switch to them, just that actual combat clothes should at least have the vague vibe of other FF combat characters designed by the actual FF art team (so you can include Yuffie, Lulu, Tifa, and Cindy as examples of still counts as clothes, just something that isn't "yar I'm near naked w/ my thong, stilettos, and string top, oiled, and got my snowman hat on, ready to fight you Nael Van Darnus!" lol. If you want to do that in town or whatever I really don't care though, have at it.). So I wish the system might have had some sort of "FF filter" when dealing with that content (like the glamour system was made to offer larger amounts of freedom, but avoided other things that would damage the "FF" filter), to keep some of the story experience not feeling like a joke sometimes (obviously personal perspective/opinion).

Ultimately I like a bit of form and a bit of logic to my presentations- doesn't have to be super realistic but like even jobless FF games tell you a story of what they are / capable of without even viewing their weapon, joke/pure skin stuff tells you nothing but it's a joke or to show the skin, yet if you could only choose one or the other then absolutely keep it. The desire for presentation is also why I'm not crazy into tearing down all the glamour restrictions, although I can see a lot of gear why people are frustrated they can't wear X when Y can (which is also why I like the tag system of "all cloth and anything specifically made for your job").

[Krotoan]

My opinion on this remains the same. Do I really care if it's implemented at the end of the day? Probably not. I just feel that it is an unnecessary waste of dev time and resources when the solution is as simple as "don't look at it" or "don't pay attention to it". People CHOOSE to look at something, and they also choose to focus on it. They could choose to...not, if they wished but they don't. It's simpler in their mind to program it out of their sight.

Every minor concern in the game could be argued against like this. "don't look at it" "don't use that feature" "don't do that content".

Considering this isn't a demand (mostly) and isn't particularly hard to do (for most implementations) I don't see why your particular reservation is a point against it other than "this will take time to do and I don't want that time to be spent on it" which IS perfectly valid.. but not particularly compelling in an MMO. Everyone has stuff they'd rather the devs spent time on instead of stuff they don't care about.

And the correct thing to do would be to help them overcome that, not enable it further.

Why do I have to overcome my own personal tastes?

It's funny that you provided that because -- while it's not personally a Thing I Like (I prefer to wear more complex ensembles), the game allows you to wear it, so it's not my place to demand that the devs allow me to hide it when I can literally just turn the camera away for free if it really bothers me that much. Which it doesn't, and I usually just look at people and move on. No reason to get triggered over a bikini. Not sure why some people are just so upset by stuff like that, that they need an adult to cover their eyes for them

Very few people are being "upset". The glut of people on this thread would just rather not have their experience "ruined" or be yanked out of their story by "weird" glamours. Nobody is really demanding anything, at best we are saying "If the devs would do this, we would use it".

[Vahlnir]

Every minor concern in the game could be argued against like this. "don't look at it" "don't use that feature" "don't do that content".

Considering this isn't a demand (mostly) and isn't particularly hard to do (for most implementations) I don't see why your particular reservation is a point against it other than "this will take time to do and I don't want that time to be spent on it" which IS perfectly valid.. but not particularly compelling in an MMO. Everyone has stuff they'd rather the devs spent time on instead of stuff they don't care about.

You are absolutely right. That doesn't change how I feel about it though. Although, I don't think any of us really know how much work things take except for the dev team. We can only guess. I have only stated my opinion on the matter, and others disagree with it. That's okay.

[Krotoan]

You are absolutely right. That doesn't change how I feel about it though. Although, I don't think any of us really know how much work things take except for the dev team. We can only guess.

Very true, I am not on the dev team, but I am basing my theory on how graphic mods seem to work on the game :change the local model and texture file and the game will simply use that instead. Confirming that the display choice is fully client side and merely a reference number. Something that should be easily toggleable. .. Should be.

I don't expect to change how you feel, and welcome your opinion of course.

[Joven]

It's funny that you provided that because -- while it's not personally a Thing I Like (I prefer to wear more complex ensembles), the game allows you to wear it, so it's not my place to demand that the devs allow me to hide it when I can literally just turn the camera away for free if it really bothers me that much. Which it doesn't, and I usually just look at people and move on. No reason to get triggered over a bikini. Not sure why some people are just so upset by stuff like that, that they need an adult to cover their eyes for them.

I don't know why you keep insinuating that people can't handle looking at someone in a bikini or men in dresses like it's an anathema to their eyes. To some it may be, but the bulk of the people on here who want this feature just think it's tacky in a serious combat arena, nothing more. I think you just want to be antagonistic to the point of trolling.

[Awha]

I do think for most we generally understand that this will mever happen. That said it is interesting to see why people sre so against what largely amounts to a wide spresd charactemod. Which are already a thing to a degree depending on what you want shown and removed.

Overall it boils down to personal prefence, everyone has different tastes and while I will not go out my way to change how I look, if someone had the tools to easily do it u would be okay with it because in the grand scheme I most likely would not even know in the first place.

At the large a lot of the reasons behind not doing this change if we grant the position it probably would not happen boil down to "well I need people to see me as I wish to be seen, if not what is the point?"

Seems rather silly, granted I hsve always been on the side that this will never happen but would be nice if it did.

[Genz]

Very true, I am not on the dev team, but I am basing my theory on how graphic mods seem to work on the game :change the local model and texture file and the game will simply use that instead. Confirming that the display choice is fully client side and merely a reference number. Something that should be easily toggleable. .. Should be.

Obviously display is a client-side thing, but which equipment is displayed for each character in sight has to be communicated by the server.
If the game server is already sending both equipped and glamoured equipment ID for each character in sight, then the OP suggestion can easily be done.
But currently there is no need to send them both for each character in sight and would be a waste of bandwidth (it's only needed when you actually right-click > check someone) so it's probable that it doesn't do it. OP suggestion would need the server to send more data, or for the server to juggle between equipped and glamoured depending on individual players choices.

[Seraphor]

I'll say it again. Peoples unglamoured gear will be just as ugly and ill-fitting, if not moreso, than their glamour.
You will not gain anything by hiding other peoples glamour, instead, everyone will be a hideous monstrosity of miss-matched armour and dresses.
Male healers will all be wearing frilly nighties.
Gunbreakers will all look like tin cans.
Dancers will all look like robin hood or cowboys or some amalgamation of the two.
Half of the Samurai will look like Monks, and half of the Monks will look like Samurai.

You will still being seeing people in outfits you don't like, because base gear will be no better than their choice of glam. In fact the vast majority of glam people use was base gear at some point in the games lifetime. This is not an improvement under any circumstances as it will simply change your experience from 50% of players you encouter using hideous glams you don't like the look of, to 100% of players you meet wearing hideous glams you don't like the look of, and thus, it's not worth the dev costs.


One alternative could be to instead have everyone else permanently dressed in their job AF gear, with base classes all wearing the race specific starter gear. At least then everyone is consistent, the gear is somewhat well designed, and you can recognise jobs from their gear. But this would take considerably more work than simply disabling glam.