Sick of ARR Ex fights in mentor roulette

[QooEr]

saying the Ex fights arent endgame is disingenuous because they WERE endgame when they released, and most sprouts aren't geared enough in the first place. goes especially for the harder ex trials from heavensward like thordan.

teaching the EX fights to new players who can hardly do rotations (im somehow often top dps as scholar) is like teaching algebra to people learning arithmetics. i grin and bear the ex trials when i get them, and i usually clear them if people read chat and try (after like 40 minutes, which is quite the time commitment if you queue for a roulette considering every other duty usually takes around 15-20 mins)

i personally think ex fights shouldnt be in the roulette, just as the coils of bahamut arent in it.

frankly the game should give a popup reminding players of party finder when they queue for an extreme trial on duty finder without a full or unsynced party, if only the first time they do so. i actually feel bad for the sprouts queuing for hours for their first extreme that they're likely not going to beat because i was that sprout at some point. the game needs to teach about pf better

[RyuSaarva]

Are mentors supposed to know all ex trials mechanics off the top of their head or something? Imo seems really stupid and silly to have any high-end content in a roulette. I wonder if anyone has ever completed old synced high-end content in duty finder outside of the "High-End" section. You can't get a random DF team to coordinate, learn the fight and also finish it before the timer. Those duties usually take many PF practice runs before they can get completed by the average player, makes no sense at all imo to encourage those instances in DF.

Yes I have and duty finder was better for clearing stuff than party finder during ARR and most of these fights are multiple times easier now and you cannot even unlock mentor roulette without doing them, I have also cleared all extremes in mentor roulette multiple times, you just have to mentor and not whine and complain.

[Bsrking5]

Yes I have and duty finder was better for clearing stuff than party finder during ARR and most of these fights are multiple times easier now and you cannot even unlock mentor roulette without doing them, I have also cleared all extremes in mentor roulette multiple times, you just have to mentor and not whine and complain.

So because you could find a parties with duty finder when it was at least semi-relevant so people actually knew what they were getting into, means you can do that now with people who don't even know not to stand in telegraph markers and won't read chat.

[KageTokage]

Do you know why Ramuh EX is the least clearable one synced in Mentor Roulette? It's because the tank swap AND the "pick the 3 orbs" mechanics for Shock Strike is heavily tank dependent. If the tank does not have the 3 orbs to have the "Surge Protection" buff, the tank will get one-shotted by Shock Strike. To make things much worse, Shock Strike ignores and goes through tank immunity effects. Should the tank get one-shotted from Shock Strike, most runs usually snowball into a wipe from there.

Let's not even get to the part where people tend to get uncoordinated for fear cleansing. It's bad enough people are bad at this mechanic in the Hard story version. Not cleansing here in Extreme mode will be fatal for the ones who don't have the Surge Protection buff.

Finally, the tether mechanics requires only one person of the tethered pair to get 3 orbs. Letting the tethers remain is more punishing in Extreme mode when synced. Don't forget that tanks still need their surge protection buff from getting 3 orbs.

Coordinating these mechanics synced in a random pug group via roulette is extremely difficult for the average person.

I've gotten Ramuh EX three times as a tank, which made the swapping mostly a non-issue, but never managed to clear on any of the attempts because people were doing too little DPS to prevent wipes to the add phase and/or not dispelling the charm properly even after I designated a waymarker for the charm-targeted players to move to in order to make locating them easier.

I have also cleared all extremes in mentor roulette multiple times, you just have to mentor and not whine and complain.

That and pray you get people who are actually competent, because explaining a fight is one thing, but having people who can both play their jobs properly and follow instructions is something else entirely.

The only EXs I've cleared consistently are Ultima Weapon, Garuda, Ravana, and Bismark as they get melted by the bloated ilvls and most of their mechanics get skipped; though even Garuda has failed before due to getting stuck with a gungho sprout tank who refuses to follow directions and doesn't separate the adds...on multiple occasions.

I've gotten a few clears of Leviathan and Shiva EX though it was heavily dependent on having other mentors in the tank/healer roles.

Everything else was a total wash.

[RyuSaarva]

Garuda X was actually one of the hardest things to ever clear for me because I always got tanks who stacked the adds no matter what you tried to type in the chat, not sure if the game is so easy now that you can survive the ultimate spell if you fail to kill them.

[RyuSaarva]

So because you could find a parties with duty finder when it was at least semi-relevant so people actually knew what they were getting into, means you can do that now with people who don't even know not to stand in telegraph markers and won't read chat.

Sometime you lose and sometimes you win, I never got salty because I spend the entire duty time training and never got the kill.

[TyrTry]

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That and pray you get people who are actually competent, because explaining a fight is one thing, but having people who can both play their jobs properly and follow instructions is something else entirely.

This is the thing that gets me.

It's as if people cannot turn off the mindset that the mentor roulette is NOT just another daily to get off your checklist.

You're NOT going to always get players who know their jobs in any roulette, but it matters most that you, the MENTOR, teach players in the MENTOR roulette. Teach players how to handle Extreme mechanics if you get them.

If you want to mention PF of an FC, then fine, but at least do your damn job as the mentor and attempt to teach the fight or how to use a proper rotation. Because automatically resulting into PF is a damn cop-out that ultimately teaches them nothing.

I can't make it any simpler than that.

You will not always succeed. You will not always get listeners. Mentoring is not always going to be a cakewalk.

If people can't handle that responsibility, or the time commitment it may take, there is nothing wrong with putting the crown away and just running other roulettes. There is literally nothing wrong with that.

I'm honestly just mindblown here. It's pretty clear that some people have no intention of actually teaching or mentoring and only want the easy way out. If you can't handle EX trials in the mentor roulette, then simply don't que for it. Run something else.

[Alleo]

Everyone has to start somewhere. That is why it's on the mentor roulette. So experienced players can teach the fight, handle the coordination, and help carry to an extent. If you are unwilling, or unable, to do that, you shouldn't be queuing for said roulette.

They are still extreme fights. Fights that were mostly done for raiders or those that enjoy high level content. And yet seemingly that means that people have to mentor the new players in there? Would it be also okay if they put in the 8 man savage fights, where does it stop?

I'm honestly just mindblown here. It's pretty clear that some people have no intention of actually teaching or mentoring and only want the easy way out. If you can't handle EX trials in the mentor roulette, then simply don't que for it. Run something else.

Or maybe there are those of us who cant just handle ex fights easily and wont remember every single one of them but still want to help with the queues for those dungeons that will be the most relevant for newer players. Mentor roulette could have been an easy way to help. Just queue it up and be dropped into a dungoen or normal trial that is needed the most right now. Even if I for example dont remember all the mechanics, I still have at least enough understanding of the game to help them through and I am ready to explain stuff to them if they want that. Yet seemingly my help is not needed because I am not made to clear snyched ex fights.

So instead of putting a whole bunch of people into your created box maybe just accept that not everyone wants things for the same reason and that some of us are helpful and try to teach but simply cant do ex trials. Its at least one person less in the queue for that, one person that could have made the waiting time for a newer player much shorter for stuff that most of them probably only want to see.

[LittleImp]

That's probably fairly server specific.
While Hyperion certainly has its moments, it's for the most part classier than the other servers I've visited.

Really? I've seen a lot of talk on other Primal worlds about the Hyperion NN being particularly bad... Every time I've personally visited it I've seen some skizzle guy absolutely spewing hate.

[TyrTry]

They are still extreme fights. Fights that were mostly done for raiders or those that enjoy high level content. And yet seemingly that means that people have to mentor the new players in there? Would it be also okay if they put in the 8 man savage fights, where does it stop?



Or maybe there are those of us who cant just handle ex fights easily and wont remember every single one of them but still want to help with the queues for those dungeons that will be the most relevant for newer players. Mentor roulette could have been an easy way to help. Just queue it up and be dropped into a dungoen or normal trial that is needed the most right now. Even if I for example dont remember all the mechanics, I still have at least enough understanding of the game to help them through and I am ready to explain stuff to them if they want that. Yet seemingly my help is not needed because I am not made to clear snyched ex fights.

So instead of putting a whole bunch of people into your created box maybe just accept that not everyone wants things for the same reason and that some of us are helpful and try to teach but simply cant do ex trials. Its at least one person less in the queue for that, one person that could have made the waiting time for a newer player much shorter for stuff that most of them probably only want to see.

"Created box" cute.

If you can't do them, then make a choice: Leave and hopefully someone else will step in, help with what you can and mention you don't know the fights very well, or mention PF and maybe stick around for a few fights. Or just do what the other so called mentors do and leave the moment they pop in because "it's a waste of time"

You can teach and not know the Extreme fights very well. Amazing concept know. Nobody is asking you to be perfect. But people not wanting the Extreme trails in the mentor roulette just because they don't want to deal it is ridiculous.

And if they decided to put Savage in there as well, then yes that too would be okay! And the same damn concept will apply.

"Created box". God forbid that you stick with the roulette YOU selected.