how does one use blue mage?

[HeulGDarian]

Thats an incredible over generalisation you just made there lmao which reeks if personal bias, for myself I run all kinds of endgame content as does everyone i know in game, and they all complain about it. You dont need to lie about people to talk about things you like. I could just as easily say everyone Ive seen defending BLU as fun hasnt even stepped into end game content/ is bad at it, but I know that isnt correct despite it being my experience, because in sure there does exist people that dont fit my description.

I dont know if it counts but i did get the morbol and i have gotten into savage not way too deep though id say maybe knees deep, and also alot of people that i know like blue , im just saying that most comments in the forums are people REEEEing , generally its about not being able to do content with other jobs specifically there is always someone that will say it cant raid with other jobs , alot of people will agree yet alot of them havent done raiding anyways ,its the usual group mentality of the forums, you can call me biased cause i like the job , i do try to be as objective as i can though.

[ReiMakoto]

i guess i shouldnt call it higher end content , idk how to really call it though, i didnt mean savage super savage i meant like higher level stuff basicly content just on the higher level , see why i got confused? ^^".

Well im even more confused then lol, if youre talking about Eureka or like Ex roulletes then theres even less argument here and more people ive seen wanting them there because their "balance" is already very loose. Eitherway you're straw manning the complaint crowd pretty hard, most of them are incredibly reasonable.

Edit: Considering you changed your entire post in an edit (pretty rude) I guess I should respond again.

Good for you on clearing, the point of my comment wasnt to insult anyone ,I was showing how ridiculous you were being by generalizing like that. You say its mostly REEEing is not you being objective, as someone who uses those threads whenever they are active, the REEing these days is an absolute minimum and they are actually some pretty fun discussion threads with people talking about balance implications and the such. You say youre trying to be objective but your post so far had been subjective conjecture.

[HeulGDarian]

Well im even more confused then lol, if youre talking about Eureka or like Ex roulletes then theres even less argument here and more people ive seen wanting them there because their "balance" is already very loose. Eitherway you're straw manning the complaint crowd pretty hard, most of them are incredibly reasonable.

i fixed it maybe it comes across better

[HeulGDarian]

Well im even more confused then lol, if youre talking about Eureka or like Ex roulletes then theres even less argument here and more people ive seen wanting them there because their "balance" is already very loose. Eitherway you're straw manning the complaint crowd pretty hard, most of them are incredibly reasonable.

Edit: Considering you changed your entire post in an edit (pretty rude) I guess I should respond again.

Good for you on clearing, the point of my comment wasnt to insult anyone ,I was showing how ridiculous you were being by generalizing like that. You say its mostly REEEing is not you being objective, as someone who uses those threads whenever they are active, the REEing these days is an absolute minimum and they are actually some pretty fun discussion threads with people talking about balance implications and the such. You say youre trying to be objective but your post so far had been subjective conjecture.

i was changing it before the comment you made loaded which is why i made the second one, i agree rn the REEing is minimum id say actually non existant, i havent seen a blue thread in quite awhile, the thing im remembering is back when they were plentyfull , i remember having 4 threads about blue in the first page at some point , all asking make it unlimited and it is bad now , but besides being able to do content at level 80 with other jobs and a huge nerf what is the point? i remember how alot of comments were i quit the job cause i find it boring most being at something like lvl 30.
i disagree not just cause subjectively i like the job but because all those fixes and balances people think they want are objectively flawed and how could they not be flawed you cant compare ideas people who played till at max 50 to months of designing a dev did , if it was from people who played the job to its fullest it would hold some value but at this point its purely fan fiction.

[ReiMakoto]

i was changing it before the comment you made loaded which is why i made the second one, i agree rn the REEing is minimum id say actually non existant, i havent seen a blue thread in quite awhile, the thing im remembering is back when they were plentyfull , i remember having 4 threads about blue in the first page at some point , all asking make it unlimited and it is bad now , but besides being able to do content at level 80 with other jobs and a huge nerf what is the point? i remember how alot of comments were i quit the job cause i find it boring most being at something like lvl 30.
i disagree not just cause subjectively i like the job but because all those fixes and balances people think they want are objectively flawed and how could they not be flawed you cant compare ideas people who played till at max 50 to months of designing a dev did , if it was from people who played the job to its fullest it would hold some value but at this point its purely fan fiction.

Yeah again youre generalising so im not gonna reply any further, but there are a lot of complaints from people who have got it to 60 and have done max blue content, myself included, and your appeal to authority fallacy is not a show of something being objectively flawed https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/...l-to-Authority . Saying you need to have to have played blu to its fullest to make complaints about it is also mild no true scottsman fallacy, as someone can demonstrate understandings of systems and have fundamental valid complaints about a thing without meeting your arbitrary threshold for valid criticism.

[HeulGDarian]

Yeah again youre generalising so im not gonna reply any further, but there are a lot of complaints from people who have got it to 60 and have done max blue content, myself included, and your appeal to authority fallacy is not a show of something being objectively flawed https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/...l-to-Authority . Saying you need to have to have played blu to its fullest to make complaints about it is also mild no true scottsman fallacy, as someone can demonstrate understandings of systems and have fundamental valid complaints about a thing without meeting your arbitrary threshold for valid criticism.

ok. if you say so.

I should propably defend my self a bit more, it never goes good when i leave stuff for interpretation. You say that what im saying is generalized , and an appeal to authority fallacy , what im saying is that i take more seriously arguments bred from knowledge , as in arguments that were made from more than 10 mins of gameplay or thought , you call it authority fallacy, well i can call your stand point anti-intellectualism.
Obviously nothing appeals to everyone , which is why we are having this conversation , the problem is that since blue already has a fan base be it small or large ,again going by stuff that i watched back then in those threads , why would you try to cater to the people who ,according to you are having just balance discussions, keep calling the job garbage. Wouldn't you want to appeal to the fanbase you created?
You will tell me they should listen to the majority but look how other jobs turned out. the whole healer and tank role turned like this to accommodate the skill of the player base as a whole , to become more ACCESSIBLE , and what happened is it lost the most dedicated of their playerbase some which have left.
In the end unless you give me an actual argument as to why it should change or if it is worth changing then we will go nowhere, instead you have opted to just taking the piss.

[ReiMakoto]

ok. if you say so.

I should propably defend my self a bit more, it never goes good when i leave stuff for interpretation. You say that what im saying is generalized , and an appeal to authority fallacy , what im saying is that i take more seriously arguments bred from knowledge , as in arguments that were made from more than 10 mins of gameplay or thought , you call it authority fallacy, well i can call your stand point anti-intellectualism.
Obviously nothing appeals to everyone , which is why we are having this conversation , the problem is that since blue already has a fan base be it small or large ,again going by stuff that i watched back then in those threads , why would you try to cater to the people who ,according to you are having just balance discussions, keep calling the job garbage. Wouldn't you want to appeal to the fanbase you created?
You will tell me they should listen to the majority but look how other jobs turned out. the whole healer and tank role turned like this to accommodate the skill of the player base as a whole , to become more ACCESSIBLE , and what happened is it lost the most dedicated of their playerbase some which have left.
In the end unless you give me an actual argument as to why it should change or if it is worth changing then we will go nowhere, instead you have opted to just taking the piss.

Straw manning my pointing out of appeal to authority. If someones argument after 10 mins is demonstrably wrong it should be argued against as such, but just saying the devs know more is not an arguement. However someone who has a thought after 10 mins can still have valid and appropriate feedback.

Im not actually someone who advocates it be "changed" per say, but this was not the point of this thread. My stance is that there is no arguement other than "rescources" why a limited and unlimited blu cannot exist alongside each other. Current iteration of BLU already has the framework of a fully functioning level 60 dps, and if you subtract mimicry and final sting it has a balanced dps output as well. I think they should listen the majority in the sense that a form of blu for endgame should exist, i dont want to take away what some people find fun despite my own feelings on the content. I dunno whete youve found this echo chamber of people just calling it garbage but in the threads ive participated in theres plenty of healthy discussion as to how it could work. Your arguments about tanks and healers is imteresting, however as a regular on these forums I dont think I remember people asking for how they exist today other than in the ast crowd, the majority that square seems to accommodate to seems to be rather the silent kind rather than whats said here. And once again you seem to be implying a backwards agumentum ad popularum (appeal to masses), where you are saying the masses are wrong inherently based on past events, which is very wrong just from an argumentation standpoint.

You should also chill my dude, the reason i wasnt giving you my arguments was because this was not the thread for it, and if pointing out the problems with your arguments is "taking the piss" then so be it.

I realise I just broke what i said earlier about not replying to, which is a shame but i guess im bored.

Feel free to go through the threads, there was a good one a month or so ago, but trying to go through the main BLU for duty finder thread could take you a while

[HeulGDarian]

Straw manning my pointing out of appeal to authority. If someones argument after 10 mins is demonstrably wrong it should be argued against as such, but just saying the devs know more is not an arguement. However someone who has a thought after 10 mins can still have valid and appropriate feedback.

Im not actually someone who advocates it be "changed" per say, but this was not the point of this thread. My stance is that there is no arguement other than "rescources" why a limited and unlimited blu cannot exist alongside each other. Current iteration of BLU already has the framework of a fully functioning level 60 dps, and if you subtract mimicry and final sting it has a balanced dps output as well. I think they should listen the majority in the sense that a form of blu for endgame should exist, i dont want to take away what some people find fun despite my own feelings on the content. I dunno whete youve found this echo chamber of people just calling it garbage but in the threads ive participated in theres plenty of healthy discussion as to how it could work. Your arguments about tanks and healers is imteresting, however as a regular on these forums I dont think I remember people asking for how they exist today other than in the ast crowd, the majority that square seems to accommodate to seems to be rather the silent kind rather than whats said here. And once again you seem to be implying a backwards agumentum ad popularum (appeal to masses), where you are saying the masses are wrong inherently based on past events, which is very wrong just from an argumentation standpoint.

You should also chill my dude, the reason i wasnt giving you my arguments was because this was not the thread for it, and if pointing out the problems with your arguments is "taking the piss" then so be it.

I realise I just broke what i said earlier about not replying to, which is a shame but i guess im bored.

Feel free to go through the threads, there was a good one a month or so ago, but trying to go through the main BLU for duty finder thread could take you a while

my problem is that i dont go in all gun ahoy ready to start fights at bars. im honestly trying to see both arguements .
then the arguement comes that says blue isnt overpowered , when he has a full heal on a gcd , death for all bosses except the final ones , that exception includes 8mans , an ignore any mech button , a 5% dps on a 30 seconds cooldown as well as a 5 % dps depending on the element which is irrelevant to anyone but blu if he was unlimited .... til you realise blm still has aspected elemental magic and you know it aint bogus cause his passive increases fire dmg, as well as final sting that you mentioned and the best buffing spell moonflute , a reprisal that works on everything and low enough cds to get their opener up again every downtime.
cracks on that opinion start appearing , this most certaintly isnt a patch and fixed situation , and its why 10 mins of gameplay doesnt give you a full picture