Endgame content is too stressfull and difficult

[Commander_Justitia]

I interpret this post more like "There is nothing between casual content and savage content". At the one hand, I don't like how unforgiving savage or ultimate content is as well, it is hard to recover sometimes even with people who cleared it multiple times. I also think the shiva fight probably should have been splitted up into 2 segments, like the raid fights in stormblood.
With Baldesion Arsenal being pushed out a bit by the new addon, the removal of a new PotD iteration this addon, the lacking attractiveness of bluemage raiding and the same formular for every dungeon since ages - I feel like midcore content got a big slap again. So this game is too easy for most content, and once you want something more difficult as casual player, you get stomped by savage and ultimate. Wish they would differentiate it more and give incentives to do ilvl sync dungeons, sync it for more rewards or whatever.

[HeulGDarian]

I interpret this post more like "There is nothing between casual content and savage content". At the one hand, I don't like how unforgiving savage or ultimate content is as well, it is hard to recover sometimes even with people who cleared it multiple times. I also think the shiva fight probably should have been splitted up into 2 segments, like the raid fights in stormblood.
With Baldesion Arsenal being pushed out a bit by the new addon, the removal of a new PotD iteration this addon, the lacking attractiveness of bluemage raiding and the same formular for every dungeon since ages - I feel like midcore content got a big slap again. So this game is too easy for most content, and once you want something more difficult as casual player, you get stomped by savage and ultimate. Wish they would differentiate it more and give incentives to do ilvl sync dungeons, sync it for more rewards or whatever.

there is actually something that does help the situation but nobody wants to do, Blue mage . You get rewarded with a ton of poetics as well as arr hunt currency for doing weekly targets as all blue, synced which is a great way to learn in the game through older fights, not to mention they will be easier since Blu has some absurd spells but not absurd enough to make everything a complete joke, plus they offer an older approach to play healer were you have to plan out your heals but are not completely overpowered and dpsing isnt a press of a single button, alot of healers have said they had more fun with blu healing than current healing. Further more you get titles for clearing alot of those fights and also if you want something meatier you can do old savage for a mount that is extremely rare if you care for such stuff and more titles, not to mention even without echo those savage fights are much simpler than current ones with the exception of one... and really fun to do. If there are 2 things i recommend to new players who want to learn and improve its to go and do early ex fights through duty finder cause theyll get mentors to help and blue to experience the arr and heavensward raiding that they missed and how much preparation and co operation it needed

[Payotz]

And not every game need to be Dark Souls.

In fact, that's a pretty poor comparison in that Dark Souls it's on you learning the fights, not having to coordinate with 7 other people.

And let's be honest, some Dark Souls fights are more forgiving than EX/Savage.

Let's compare the hardcore (not normal) content for various parts of the game:

Battle Content:
Hardcore side we have 12 savage fights, two ultimates, 3 sidequest EX trials, and an EX Trial for every story trial.
Casual content side we have 12 normal fights, 3 24 mans, 3 sidequest normal trials, normal story trials, Hildibrand Trials, 10+ dungeons, Hunts, Fates, Treasure Maps, Beast Tribe combat content, Relics, Trusts.

Let's go with Crafting and Gathering Content:

Hardcore content: Big Fish Fishing and Expert Crafts
Casual Content: 90% of the recipes in Ishgard Restoration and normal recipes, normal gathering on the Overworld and unspoiled gathering on the Overworld, and Ocean Fishing.

Let's go with something special, BLU Mage content:

Hardcore content: 6 savage raids at minimum ilvl and no echo for a mount and the Weekly EX trial. That's literally it.
Casual Content: Spell grinding, Masked Carnivale, BLU log (synced 24mans, Trials, and Dungeons).

The game doesn't even have enough hardcore content to be classified as a hardcore game or even close to Dark Souls and the content you're whining about is drastically overtaken by the casual content in this game.

Hell, there's literally no reason to do hardcore content at all. The story isn't tied behind raids anymore, and all the Savage/EX/Ultimates are just the Bard NPC exaggerating stories.
There's no exotics, there's no item that gives you +10 Faerie Gauge that every 5 seconds in the Savage Raid Gear.
There's literally no reason for you to get Savage Gear because There's no hard enrage content in casual content.

If you want the Amaro Mount, Level every job to 80.
If you want the Multifaceted Title, Level every crafter and gatherer to 80.
If you want the 2B Outfit, Do the Nier 24 mans.
If you want Savage Gear, Complete the Savage Content

Leave hardcore content alone and unironically, Get good .
If you can't take PF, Get friends, be social and get a static

[JamieRose]

Would you like some cheese with that whine?

[RylaBee]

Are you serious Payotz?
Heap of disconnected pseudo statistical bullshit as an argument?

[Frizze]

I see no harm in adding alternative methods to obtain the current BiS gear. No one loses out on anything and since it "doesn't matter" to those that don't play Savage then it shouldn't matter to those that do.

Good news! Theres already other methods to obtain the highest item level gear. Right now we're at the end of an even patch. Even patches are the raider patches. In a few weeks we'll get a new odd patch - those are the catch up ones. Once that patch goes live, youll be able to earn the same items savage raiders get to turn their 490 tomestone gear into 500 tomestone gear - the highest level gear their is. Firstly, if you run the new 24 man raid youll get a coin you can turn in for upgrade items. If the alliance raids are too challenging(or you dont like the theme or having to depend on that many people) then you will also be able to earn them via hunting ShB A and S ranks(the upgrade items will be on the nut vendor in one form or another). So at that point, all the savage raiders will have that you dont is the mount, the dyable versions of the raid gear, and a 5ilvl boost in their weapon. And as all those are tied to the raids themselves, doing the raids to earn them is most appropriate.

[ForteNightshade]

Would you like some cheese with that whine?

She isn't wrong though. At the end of the day, FFXIV caters exponentially to the casual demographic. Therefore, you'll have to forgive those seeking a harder challenge are going to be a bit defensive when said casual players are demanding what little challenging content exists to be further dumbed down for their benefit. You're correct in saying not every game needs to be Dark Souls. However, you're ignoring that FFXIV is a theme park MMO, intended to have something for everyone. Savage and Ultimate are the slice of pie we get.

[Payotz]

Would you like some cheese with that whine?

Nah. The drink's enough for helping me forget how dumb people can get whenever I read your replies.

Are you serious Payotz?
Heap of disconnected pseudo statistical bullshit as an argument?

What do you mean?
Open your Duty Finder window and compare anything that's for 70-80, add Overworld content(Hunts, Fates etc...) and then go to Raid Finder and compare literally anything there.

It doesn't take a mathematician to observe that there's a lot more content for casual players compared to hardcore players.

Also compare how many expert recipes there are in the Firmanent to how many macro-able recipes there are(which is pretty much all of them except Expert Recipes).

Sure 90% is pretty wrong, cause it's probably a lot closer to 98% of the recipes that are macro-able.

[JamieRose]

She isn't wrong though. At the end of the day, FFXIV caters exponentially to the casual demographic. Therefore, you'll have to forgive those seeking a harder challenge are going to be a bit defensive when said casual players are demanding what little challenging content exists to be further dumbed down for their benefit. You're correct in saying not every game needs to be Dark Souls. However, you're ignoring that FFXIV is a theme park MMO, intended to have something for everyone. Savage and Ultimate are the slice of pie we get.

If she was 100% right we wouldn't be having this conversation in the first place.

Nah. The drink's enough for helping me forget how dumb people can get whenever I read your replies.

Topics like these are great for shining the light on people who need to be flung into the Magical Land of Ignore for all eternity. Say hi to Gula for me.

[HeulGDarian]

If she was 100% right we wouldn't be having this conversation in the first place.



Topics like these are great for shining the light on people who need to be flung into the Magical Land of Ignore for all eternity. Say hi to Gula for me.

except that people do keep fighting whether they are correct or not, because people dont care as long as they get what they want. Truth is never one sided yes, people have different viewpoints after all that, doesn't mean though that idiotic statements should be held at the same value as indisputable ones. The fact that the game only has Savage and super savage as hardcore content is an indisputable statement, its simply true you can subjectively add expert trials but even then the casual content outnumbers it massively , Calling the game Dark Souls cause it has 14 fights completely optional as hardcore content is nothing more than an idiotic statement because Dark Souls doesn't give you the option to stop and play the bosses at an easier difficulty to enjoy the story , or say screw the main game and go fishing/crafting/gathering/gambling, doesn't hold your hand hoping that you pay attention , doesn't trivialize encounters just cause you ignored them for 3 months and allow you to acquire their rewards for pebbles, doesn't allow you to get gear that is literally 1% worse than what you'd get for defeating the boss to help you defeating it and many more that i could think and write out if i didn't think that i waste my time and health trying to convince a massive troll in a massive troll thread