Endgame content is too stressfull and difficult

[ItMe]

Mind elaborating on this? or at least sharing a link? I personally haven't heard anything about this.

Don't have the link, but I know what they're talking about.
It was in one of the many post 5.0 live letters (why I can't find it now).
They were saying the numbers are getting too big and things dealing a million damage doesn't make sense, so they were gonna rework things under the hood to dial back the damage inflation.
They didn't give a hard date, but said it might happen for 6.0.

[Payotz]

Oh god. Leave what little hardcore content alone. It's literally the only thing that's fun in the game now and the only rewarding content in the game by far.

You literally have 24 mans, normal raids, normal dungeons, and normal trials and to an extent. This is your content, content that can just be tank and spanked, not following any mechanics, and limped through it. You can spend as much time as you want in this content because there's no enrage. In fact, you can literally do content like this just by spamming one button. This is the content that you want.


We only really have 12 savage fights per expansion, and 2 ultimates and I guess EX Fights that play more like Normal Trials but with no telegraphs and a very forgiving dps check. That's literally what hardcore people who want challenging content have.
There's literally no Savage Dungeons, not even a new Deep Dungeon to do. Once you learned the fight, and you have it on farm, there's nothing to do anymore.

You don't need raid gear, because there's no Hard Enrage in your content . In fact, the few fights that do have dps check has built-in echo, which is literally a permanent dps buff, hp buff, and it allows you to wipe less .

And guess what? That BiS gear is gonna be useless come next raid tier anyway, unless you're doing Ultimate, which you're probably not gonna do (and probably beg SE to nerf too). Like I'm serious, the next normal raid gear, they're gonna be better than the previous BiS gear . They're only used for this SAVAGE raid tier.

So honestly, stop crying. You're more than welcome to try out hardcore content, and you're more than capable to complete a Savage raid tier, and you're welcome to work for it.

And yes it's enjoyable to work for something, even in video games. It's very satisfying to complete a hard fight that you struggled to clear. It's the same reason why Dark Souls exists, it's very satisfying to overcome an obstacle that you struggled and to finally grab the reward that you really wanted.

Not every game needs to be Animal Crossing.

[JamieRose]

Oh god. Leave what little hardcore content alone. It's literally the only thing that's fun in the game now and the only rewarding content in the game by far.

You literally have 24 mans, normal raids, normal dungeons, and normal trials and to an extent. This is your content, content that can just be tank and spanked, not following any mechanics, and limped through it. You can spend as much time as you want in this content because there's no enrage. In fact, you can literally do content like this just by spamming one button. This is the content that you want.


We only really have 12 savage fights per expansion, and 2 ultimates and I guess EX Fights that play more like Normal Trials but with no telegraphs and a very forgiving dps check. That's literally what hardcore people who want challenging content have.
There's literally no Savage Dungeons, not even a new Deep Dungeon to do. Once you learned the fight, and you have it on farm, there's nothing to do anymore.

You don't need raid gear, because there's no Hard Enrage in your content . In fact, the few fights that do have dps check has built-in echo, which is literally a permanent dps buff, hp buff, and it allows you to wipe less .

And guess what? That BiS gear is gonna be useless come next raid tier anyway, unless you're doing Ultimate, which you're probably not gonna do (and probably beg SE to nerf too). Like I'm serious, the next normal raid gear, they're gonna be better than the previous BiS gear . They're only used for this SAVAGE raid tier.

So honestly, stop crying. You're more than welcome to try out hardcore content, and you're more than capable to complete a Savage raid tier, and you're welcome to work for it.

And yes it's enjoyable to work for something, even in video games. It's very satisfying to complete a hard fight that you struggled to clear. It's the same reason why Dark Souls exists, it's very satisfying to overcome an obstacle that you struggled and to finally grab the reward that you really wanted.

Not every game needs to be Animal Crossing.

And not every game need to be Dark Souls.

In fact, that's a pretty poor comparison in that Dark Souls it's on you learning the fights, not having to coordinate with 7 other people.

And let's be honest, some Dark Souls fights are more forgiving than EX/Savage.

[HeulGDarian]

And not every game need to be Dark Souls.

In fact, that's a pretty poor comparison in that Dark Souls it's on you learning the fights, not having to coordinate with 7 other people.

And let's be honest, some Dark Souls fights are more forgiving than EX/Savage.

i agree lets be honest, You people asking savage and ex to be nerfed is not simply laughable and bad for the game, its also extremely selfish. You already can clear in pf groups, if you hate having to coordinate with 7 other random players , then go find 7 players you can coordinate. Also no the game isnt Dark Souls especially not Ex fights, and this needs to be said till its drilled into your selfish head Savage or Ex trials is not something youre forced to do and also Bis is not necessary for anyone else but those who raid in super savage . you can already get 490 ilvl in a slower pace by simply doing dailies and when the next patch comes you can get 500 ilvl. You guys already stopped giving a shit in dungeons single pulling stuff or just using heal spells or using single targets on 12 mobs just so you can watch netflix and not only that you get upset if anyone tries to give you advice. You want to chill then go do literally every other content in the whole game

[Frizze]

And not every game need to be Dark Souls.

They add roughly 9 fights a year above the default difficulty level. They come out mostly in 6-7 month intervals, and rarely are there more then 5 active at a time. If the existence of a literal handful of instances that you cant do(and dont seem to want to work on being able to do) is that much of an issue for you then there is no point in trying to talk to you.

[Mavrias]

And not every game need to be Dark Souls.

In fact, that's a pretty poor comparison in that Dark Souls it's on you learning the fights, not having to coordinate with 7 other people.

And let's be honest, some Dark Souls fights are more forgiving than EX/Savage.

They make 8-9 hard fights a year. They don't need their difficulty nerfed because you can't rise to the challenge or play well with other people.

But here's some questions for you since you're so sure its the rest of the party's fault you can't clear. Your profile says you're a SCH main. Are you dpsing when the group doesn't need to be healed? Are you spending every GCD doing something? Are you using your Aetherflow and Fairy abilities efficiently? Are you keeping Aetherflow and Dissipation on cooldown? Using your Chain Stratagem as often as its up and aligning it with other raid buffs as applicable?

Or does 25% GCD uptime, 43% Biolysis uptime, wasted Aetherflow stacks, and 2/4 Chain Stratagems used sound more like you? If so, you have no business being in savage content blaming other people for your inability to clear.

[Britha]

I see no harm in adding alternative methods to obtain the current BiS gear. No one loses out on anything and since it "doesn't matter" to those that don't play Savage then it shouldn't matter to those that do.

[HeulGDarian]

I see no harm in adding alternative methods to obtain the current BiS gear. No one loses out on anything and since it "doesn't matter" to those that don't play Savage then it shouldn't matter to those that do.

except that it does matter for those that do play savage cause they want to do super savage. and you would be undermining all the effort those people put . why dont you go and spit on their faces as well.

[Britha]

except that it does matter for those that do play savage cause they want to do super savage. and you would be undermining all the effort those people put . why dont you go and spit on their faces as well.

That's a bit of an exaggeration, I think. I know Savage Raiders and have dipped my toes in now and then and almost to a man they really don't care about gear beyond the stats. Their concerns are clearing, doing well and the only rewards they care about (if they care about them at all) are the special mounts for Savage tiers. Gear is not a goal, it's a means to an end.

[HeulGDarian]

That's a bit of an exaggeration, I think. I know Savage Raiders and have dipped my toes in now and then and almost to a man they really don't care about gear beyond the stats. Their concerns are clearing, doing well and the only rewards they care about (if they care about them at all) are the special mounts for Savage tiers. Gear is not a goal, it's a means to an end.

the gear in savage is also a reward for their effort. And most people dont care about the mount the recognition they get is mostly from the gear, the mount is just some rng loot that only 1 in 8 will get per clear.