Endgame content is too stressfull and difficult

[Billythepancake]

The problem is not only the missing mid-tier challenge, but a big problem lies within the tomestone gear. It is so good that it makes every other content except savage raids obsolete. Why investing time to get the normal mode raid gear, relic gear or 24-man raid gear?
Just run expert roulette and you are good.

The whole (gear) progression in this game centers around savage raiding. Normal mode gear is obsolete on release because of crafted gear. And then you go into the savage raid and when you don't get loot you can buy the tomestone gear as a safety net.
In the odd numbered patches people can "catch up" with the gear. But catching up for what?

This whole concept doesn't keep in mind that there are lots of people who have no interest to enter savage raids. Ever.

And the content these people are interested in does nothing for your character progression. You can't get better by playing this content, you just are getting new glamour gear while you are actually using the freebies from expert roulette.

The progression leads to savage raids and nothing else. No wonder all kinds of people end there even if they don't have interest in doing that content. There simply is nothing else meaningfull to do.

If you have 0 interest in savage then the gear dropped by savage raids should mean nothing to you. They literally do nothing but help you push parses on savage, if that is not something you care about, then bis means nothing, especially since a lot of regular content gets ilevel synced anyway.

[ForteNightshade]

If she was 100% right we wouldn't be having this conversation in the first place.

Of course we will. There will always be people who both want the endgame gear from Savage yet don't want it to be too difficult. That defeats the entire point of Savage. It exists to be a challenge, which it currently is. If it's still too much, you have EX Primals to get your feet wet. While I don't enjoy certain things this tier in particular, if you reduced the difficult much more, what's even the point? It's essentially complaining about a game having a Very Hard mode because you can't beat it.

[JamieRose]

Of course we will. There will always be people who both want the endgame gear from Savage yet don't want it to be too difficult. That defeats the entire point of Savage. It exists to be a challenge, which it currently is. If it's still too much, you have EX Primals to get your feet wet. While I don't enjoy certain things this tier in particular, if you reduced the difficult much more, what's even the point? It's essentially complaining about a game having a Very Hard mode because you can't beat it.

I'm running out of things to do and EX/Savage is too stressful and difficult.

There's your point. Whine and bitch all you like about how you wanna feel special because your static clears E8S with highest damage numbers and your pointless parsing and all that other garbage minutiae that should have died with World of Warcraft.

We're 4 months out from the last major content patch with still another month to go. Doing the same boring content over and over again is putting me off this game. But the stress levels involved in raiding Savage and EX content are equally off putting. And the stress is even more when you're dealing with [Learning] parties who are generally filled with people who screw up so hard and so often that you're left literally wondering if they're doing it on purpose.

I've tried to find other things to do. I can't get a house because the suits decided to turn off auto-demolish. Diadem is boring. Eureka is boring. Leveling old jobs means doing the MSQ Roulette over and over and that's incredible boring! And I'd soon slash my wrists with a rusty fishing knife than subject myself to the god awful PvP in this game.

Get over yourself! You're not special just because you find endgame content easy.

[Flay_wind]

I'm running out of things to do and EX/Savage is too stressful and difficult.

There's your point. Whine and bitch all you like about how you wanna feel special because your static clears E8S with highest damage numbers and your pointless parsing and all that other garbage minutiae that should have died with World of Warcraft.

We're 4 months out from the last major content patch with still another month to go. Doing the same boring content over and over again is putting me off this game. But the stress levels involved in raiding Savage and EX content are equally off putting. And the stress is even more when you're dealing with [Learning] parties who are generally filled with people who screw up so hard and so often that you're left literally wondering if they're doing it on purpose.

I've tried to find other things to do. I can't get a house because the suits decided to turn off auto-demolish. Diadem is boring. Eureka is boring. Leveling old jobs means doing the MSQ Roulette over and over and that's incredible boring! And I'd soon slash my wrists with a rusty fishing knife than subject myself to the god awful PvP in this game.

Get over yourself! You're not special just because you find endgame content easy.

Well, fwiw, Yoshi himself said that's it's okay to unsub for periods of time between the patches.

And honestly you're the problem. You do not want to get better, you want everything to be handed to you on a silver platter.
Also i remember you bitсhing about Masked Carnivale 29 "OMG IT'S TOO HARD! NERF ASAP! I CAN'T CLEAR IT AND IT'S BAD GAME DESIGN!"
Sorry, but if the content is too hard/stressful for you, then you either get better (which you obviously refuse to do) or you do not do this content and find something else to do. If there's nothing else you want to do, then go to my first sentence and read it again.

[HeulGDarian]

I'm running out of things to do and EX/Savage is too stressful and difficult.

There's your point. Whine and bitch all you like about how you wanna feel special because your static clears E8S with highest damage numbers and your pointless parsing and all that other garbage minutiae that should have died with World of Warcraft.

We're 4 months out from the last major content patch with still another month to go. Doing the same boring content over and over again is putting me off this game. But the stress levels involved in raiding Savage and EX content are equally off putting. And the stress is even more when you're dealing with [Learning] parties who are generally filled with people who screw up so hard and so often that you're left literally wondering if they're doing it on purpose.

I've tried to find other things to do. I can't get a house because the suits decided to turn off auto-demolish. Diadem is boring. Eureka is boring. Leveling old jobs means doing the MSQ Roulette over and over and that's incredible boring! And I'd soon slash my wrists with a rusty fishing knife than subject myself to the god awful PvP in this game.

Get over yourself! You're not special just because you find endgame content easy.

and if they nerfed those things it would be exactly the same kind of boring, so cause you are bored you would rather they make the only content people dont find boring be boring. look if you are simply bored instead of asking they take content from others why dont you ask hey i want more content that isnt boring. Literally this is something i can get behind asking for more content from the devs, even i currently only have astrope farming to do if i simply want to chill away from pf. There you go something that doesnt screw others and its actually relatable.

[Payotz]

I'm running out of things to do and EX/Savage is too stressful and difficult.

There's your point. Whine and bitch all you like about how you wanna feel special because your static clears E8S with highest damage numbers and your pointless parsing and all that other garbage minutiae that should have died with World of Warcraft.

We're 4 months out from the last major content patch with still another month to go. Doing the same boring content over and over again is putting me off this game. But the stress levels involved in raiding Savage and EX content are equally off putting. And the stress is even more when you're dealing with [Learning] parties who are generally filled with people who screw up so hard and so often that you're left literally wondering if they're doing it on purpose.

I've tried to find other things to do. I can't get a house because the suits decided to turn off auto-demolish. Diadem is boring. Eureka is boring. Leveling old jobs means doing the MSQ Roulette over and over and that's incredible boring! And I'd soon slash my wrists with a rusty fishing knife than subject myself to the god awful PvP in this game.

Get over yourself! You're not special just because you find endgame content easy.

Imagine being this entitled.

That boredom you're feeling now is what literally most raiders feel once they've finished the tier. Let me repeat.
That boredom you're feeling now is what literally most raiders feel once they've finished the tier.

And it's not just you that's feeling it, it's literally all of us. It sucks but there's a pandemic going on and frankly, as a working and productive member of society, I can understand the delays. It's not like they purposefully made Covid so they can slack off. I'd rather have their QA and devs fix the issues before some major fuckfest happens when everyone jumps in the 24 man.

Do what most people do when they're bored of the game, Unsub and take a break.
Play a new game, or read a book or watch a movie or talk with friends or something. You are allowed to have a life outside of the game.
Hell, play a new MMO. Play one of the other Final Fantasy games if you like. You don't even have a house so you can just unsub and then come back on August or something.

You're not special just because you want endgame content to be literally just Normal Raids and Normal Trials.

[MistakeNot]

I'm running out of things to do and EX/Savage is too stressful and difficult.

Take a break and play something else until next patch then.
You are allowed, even encouraged, to do that.

[Mavrias]

I'm running out of things to do and EX/Savage is too stressful and difficult.

There's your point. Whine and bitch all you like about how you wanna feel special because your static clears E8S with highest damage numbers and your pointless parsing and all that other garbage minutiae that should have died with World of Warcraft.

We're 4 months out from the last major content patch with still another month to go. Doing the same boring content over and over again is putting me off this game. But the stress levels involved in raiding Savage and EX content are equally off putting. And the stress is even more when you're dealing with [Learning] parties who are generally filled with people who screw up so hard and so often that you're left literally wondering if they're doing it on purpose.

I've tried to find other things to do. I can't get a house because the suits decided to turn off auto-demolish. Diadem is boring. Eureka is boring. Leveling old jobs means doing the MSQ Roulette over and over and that's incredible boring! And I'd soon slash my wrists with a rusty fishing knife than subject myself to the god awful PvP in this game.

Get over yourself! You're not special just because you find endgame content easy.

Have you tried playing a different game until the patch drops? Its often encouraged, directly by the devs.

You are not special, simply because you find extreme and up level content difficult. You are unwilling to put in the effort required to complete that content on content, but it should not change for you. Its clearly not for you. Based off of what i can see about your play style, you're clearly not ready to do it, even if it didn't stress you out.

[ForteNightshade]

I'm running out of things to do and EX/Savage is too stressful and difficult.

There's your point. Whine and bitch all you like about how you wanna feel special because your static clears E8S with highest damage numbers and your pointless parsing and all that other garbage minutiae that should have died with World of Warcraft.

We're 4 months out from the last major content patch with still another month to go. Doing the same boring content over and over again is putting me off this game. But the stress levels involved in raiding Savage and EX content are equally off putting. And the stress is even more when you're dealing with [Learning] parties who are generally filled with people who screw up so hard and so often that you're left literally wondering if they're doing it on purpose.

I've tried to find other things to do. I can't get a house because the suits decided to turn off auto-demolish. Diadem is boring. Eureka is boring. Leveling old jobs means doing the MSQ Roulette over and over and that's incredible boring! And I'd soon slash my wrists with a rusty fishing knife than subject myself to the god awful PvP in this game.

Get over yourself! You're not special just because you find endgame content easy.

Welcome to the club!

I've been bored of this game for a while now. You know what I did? I stopped playing it for a while beyond logging in to cap. I also didn't clear E8S with "the highest numbers." In fact, my parses aren't great this tier. We did pretty crappy week 1-2 strats then I stopped doing Savage entirely after static drama. This is why we don't make assumptions.

So you find Diadem, Eureka and PvP boring? Guess what? So do a lot of raiders. In fact, there are plenty of people who only care about Savage and Ultimate. By reducing the difficulty even further you've effective turned our content into something we no longer enjoy doing because it's too easy. Do you think raiders are born skilled? I didn't wake up one day and bam! TEA clear. I worked hard for those clears. UCoB was probably one of the most stress periods in this game for me given how much crap I put up with—including a GPU dying—just to finally say I cleared. Before all that, I was a baby player who thought one of the hardest fights was Sophia EX. Ironically, I found my first static through pugging her so much.

Simply put, I put in the effort to improve. Was it stressful and frustrating some days? Absolutely. But I got through it. You could to if you put all this pent up animosity towards improving yourself as a player instead of lashing out at some random people on a forum.

[HyoMinPark]

I'm running out of things to do and EX/Savage is too stressful and difficult.

That’s a you problem. Not a content problem.

Obviously, if you find it too stressful and/or too difficult, that likely means that it’s not the content for you. Getting good at Savage takes time and practice. If you aren’t willing to put in the time, then you probably shouldn’t do it. Stop asking for it to get easier because it’s already much easier compared to what it used to be. Besides, asking for it to be easier isn’t necessarily going to make you better at it. It’ll just make it easier to faceroll—and you don’t have to be good at video games to faceroll content.

There's your point. Whine and bitch all you like about how you wanna feel special because your static clears E8S with highest damage numbers and your pointless parsing and all that other garbage minutiae that should have died with World of Warcraft.

First, giant LOL to this entire statement right here.

If things like FFLogs and parsing didn’t exist in FFXIV’s raid scene, it would die overnight. And the developers know this. Aside from Ultimate, there’s nothing keeping the content alive. Groups would do weekly clears until everyone got their gear, and that would be that. Chasing leaderboards appeals to the hardcore raiders—and it’s fine if it doesn’t to you; it doesn’t to a lot of midcore and casual raiders, either. But the developers are well aware of how the raiding community feels about their “highest damage numbers” and “pointless parsing” and “other garbage minutiae”. And, quite frankly, it has very little with ForteNightshade wanting to “feel special”. I’d wager they’re like myself, and they’re tired of seeing Savage content watered down because people like you don’t want to put in the time and effort to beat it as it is. Which is more than doable—but you have to be willing to put in the time and effort. I don’t really get that impression from you.

We're 4 months out from the last major content patch with still another month to go. Doing the same boring content over and over again is putting me off this game. But the stress levels involved in raiding Savage and EX content are equally off putting. And the stress is even more when you're dealing with [Learning] parties who are generally filled with people who screw up so hard and so often that you're left literally wondering if they're doing it on purpose.

Then unsub if you’re out of stuff to do? Or roll an alt? The developers encourage breaks—and with housing demolition being suspended, you don’t even run the risk of losing your house, if you happen to have one. The delay in Patch 5.3 is of no fault of the developers—and while I have my own complaints about the state of between-patches and the lulls that they have, I at least recognize that I could just do something else. Which is basically what I’m doing right now. I don’t have a work schedule that can fit in with finding a static right now, so I’m just relaxing and playing on alts for the time being. When I don’t feel like playing the game, I do other things. Like read a book.

Savage is supposed to be for the good players that want something challenging. It’s not supposed to be faceroll like 95% of the content in this game—otherwise, they wouldn’t call it “Savage”. As I said above, if that’s not your cup of tea, then perhaps you should recognize when you should stop beating your head against the wall, and just stop.

I've tried to find other things to do. I can't get a house because the suits decided to turn off auto-demolish. Diadem is boring. Eureka is boring. Leveling old jobs means doing the MSQ Roulette over and over and that's incredible boring! And I'd soon slash my wrists with a rusty fishing knife than subject myself to the god awful PvP in this game.

The developers suspended housing demolition because people all over the globe are being affected by COVID-19. A lot of people are out of jobs due to their workplace laying them off or closing outright (be it through bankruptcy or otherwise), and not everyone can fall back on unemployment or government assistance. I’ve worked through the entirety of this pandemic in the US and seen how crazy it can be, and just how many people were desperate enough to find work that they would call to work at a grocery store chain as a cashier or bagger (and I’m not even in one of the worst states). So I honestly respect their decision. If you don’t, well that’s your prerogative—but at least try to understand where they were coming from when they opted to suspend it. Things still aren’t back to normal here. In fact, they’re already calling for a second wave where I live. Cases are going up instead of going down; cities and counties have reverted back to earlier phases of re-opening because they numbers won’t go down. So, again. Have a little perspective.

If you find Diadem boring, then Diadem isn’t for you (honestly, I found it relaxing, but gathering is like a sort of meditation for me—I just put on some music or some Netflix and relax). If you find Eureka boring, then it isn’t for you (honestly, I only enjoyed Eureka when I did it with friends because we could goof off in voice chat—BA was a lot of fun, though; and I did like joining groups trying to spawn NMs like Cassie in Pagos and stuff). Nothing wrong with that. Just like there’s nothing wrong with Savage not being for you. Not everything in this game has to be catered to your tastes. There’s plenty of players like you who don’t enjoy everything this game has. It’s a theme park MMO.

There’s also plenty of ways to level other jobs aside from MSQ Roulette. You don’t even have to touch that roulette to level a job in a timely manner. I did Alliance, Leveling, Normal Mode, and Trial Roulettes, and got my RDM to level 80 in 2~3 days. And with very little dungeon spamming, actually. I used it to do some of the Rank 3 FATE stuff, to be honest. Wanted that Butterfly Effect minion from the Greatwood. Nice hyperbole, though.

Get over yourself! You're not special just because you find endgame content easy.

Honestly, the same could be said to you. Get over yourself, because you aren’t special simply because you think Savage is too hard and needs to be watered down even more.

Why don’t you actually try improving yourself instead of just whining about how hard it is? PF can be rough, I’ll admit. But seems to me like you’re just throwing your hands up in the air and giving up—most of your posts about tackling higher-end content come off this way. That’s not a good reason to nerf the content when it’s already much easier than it has been in the past. Heck, the third floor fights this expansion aren’t even worthy of being a third fight in a tier. They aren’t as easy as Alte Roite was, but they aren’t exactly difficult. Leviathan basically did nothing until Tsunami I/II, and Idol of Darkness literally doesn’t require me, as a healer, to do anything related to my role for the first two minutes of the fight. Thinking back to third-tier fights like Cruise Chaser, Halicarnassus, and Omega, I was disappointed by both. (And those aren’t even the hardest third-tier fights, but at least they felt like they deserved to be in that slot. Levi and Idol could literally be the first fight of the tier with how easy they are. Not that E1S or E5S are hard, but still.)