Endgame content is too stressfull and difficult

[ForteNightshade]

You are not wrong, but I don't think problem is Savages. Those are here for engame raiders.
Problem is, that there is nothing IN BETWEEN normals and savages (Ex-trial once in blue moon doesn't count).

There is no content for casual raiders so to speak, no hero dungeons, no nothing.
Its either storymode snoozefest or zen-memory game in Savage.

SE seems to ignore substantial part of PVE playerbase, instead shovering them with various types of farming or metagaming in "different world" (Eureka, endless dungs).
How they never looked at heroic dungeons after 6 years of operation is.. puzzling to say the least.

But they are fixing vanila storytelling - which was so atrocious for so long - so maybe next step can be looking at this (wishful thinking 101).

While I agree, SE needs to add more endgame content as a whole. A significant reason they've held back is not knowing how to adequately reward said content. Granted, it's on them for making gear such a rigid and boring affair but they aren't going to overhaul it now. So how do you reward Mythic+ type dungeons? If they also drop Savage equivalent then it renders Savage pointless. Why do something harder for an identical reward? The same applies if said gear were equivalent to Normal mode. Now you could go with increments of five—which they technically did with the relic armor. But that severely impacts crafting.

All in all, they need more options to get people to try out this harder content. Unfortunately, the current gear system has painted them into a corner. Something will inevitably lose out to compensate.

[RylaBee]

A significant reason they've held back is not knowing how to adequately reward said content. Granted, it's on them for making gear such a rigid and boring affair but they aren't going to overhaul it now. So how do you reward Mythic+ type dungeons?

Yes the itemization is rigid, but I dont realy see rewards as much problem.

You just give some alternate currency and use it for stuff like tomestone upgrade items, pets, glams, mounts, orchestrions. They dont even need to be all new items. Some can be from previous expansions - just like we are getting for those moogle tomestones.
I think rewards are not blocker for heroic dungeons/raids, its more the fact that it would require some significant resources to develop/polish. Resources that are not spend for Eureka-style content and similar.

PS: Hell, maybe even resources that are now not used at all. This game has huge playerbase on pay-to-play system. I don't realy feel much funds it is pushed back to improve the game. Feels like upkeep, sorry..

[DrWho2010]

Yes the itemization is rigid, but I dont realy see rewards as much problem.

You just give some alternate currency and use it for stuff like tomestone upgrade items, pets, glams, mounts, orchestrions. They dont even need to be all new items. Some can be from previous expansions - just like we are getting for those moogle tomestones.
I think rewards are not blocker for heroic dungeons/raids, its more the fact that it would require some significant resources to develop/polish. Resources that are not spend for Eureka-style content and similar.

PS: Hell, maybe even resources that are now not used at all. This game has huge playerbase on pay-to-play system. I don't realy feel much funds it is pushed back to improve the game. Feels like upkeep, sorry..

the problem is if the carrot being dangled isn't enticing enough it will be dead content on arrival.

[Payotz]

Oh god. Leave what little hardcore content alone. It's literally the only thing that's fun in the game now and the only rewarding content in the game by far.

You literally have 24 mans, normal raids, normal dungeons, and normal trials and to an extent. This is your content, content that can just be tank and spanked, not following any mechanics, and limped through it. You can spend as much time as you want in this content because there's no enrage. In fact, you can literally do content like this just by spamming one button. This is the content that you want.


We only really have 12 savage fights per expansion, and 2 ultimates and I guess EX Fights that play more like Normal Trials but with no telegraphs and a very forgiving dps check. That's literally what hardcore people who want challenging content have.
There's literally no Savage Dungeons, not even a new Deep Dungeon to do. Once you learned the fight, and you have it on farm, there's nothing to do anymore.

You don't need raid gear, because there's no Hard Enrage in your content . In fact, the few fights that do have dps check has built-in echo, which is literally a permanent dps buff, hp buff, and it allows you to wipe less .

And guess what? That BiS gear is gonna be useless come next raid tier anyway, unless you're doing Ultimate, which you're probably not gonna do (and probably beg SE to nerf too). Like I'm serious, the next normal raid gear, they're gonna be better than the previous BiS gear . They're only used for this SAVAGE raid tier.

So honestly, stop crying. You're more than welcome to try out hardcore content, and you're more than capable to complete a Savage raid tier, and you're welcome to work for it.

And yes it's enjoyable to work for something, even in video games. It's very satisfying to complete a hard fight that you struggled to clear. It's the same reason why Dark Souls exists, it's very satisfying to overcome an obstacle that you struggled and to finally grab the reward that you really wanted.

Not every game needs to be Animal Crossing.

[JamieRose]

Oh god. Leave what little hardcore content alone. It's literally the only thing that's fun in the game now and the only rewarding content in the game by far.

You literally have 24 mans, normal raids, normal dungeons, and normal trials and to an extent. This is your content, content that can just be tank and spanked, not following any mechanics, and limped through it. You can spend as much time as you want in this content because there's no enrage. In fact, you can literally do content like this just by spamming one button. This is the content that you want.


We only really have 12 savage fights per expansion, and 2 ultimates and I guess EX Fights that play more like Normal Trials but with no telegraphs and a very forgiving dps check. That's literally what hardcore people who want challenging content have.
There's literally no Savage Dungeons, not even a new Deep Dungeon to do. Once you learned the fight, and you have it on farm, there's nothing to do anymore.

You don't need raid gear, because there's no Hard Enrage in your content . In fact, the few fights that do have dps check has built-in echo, which is literally a permanent dps buff, hp buff, and it allows you to wipe less .

And guess what? That BiS gear is gonna be useless come next raid tier anyway, unless you're doing Ultimate, which you're probably not gonna do (and probably beg SE to nerf too). Like I'm serious, the next normal raid gear, they're gonna be better than the previous BiS gear . They're only used for this SAVAGE raid tier.

So honestly, stop crying. You're more than welcome to try out hardcore content, and you're more than capable to complete a Savage raid tier, and you're welcome to work for it.

And yes it's enjoyable to work for something, even in video games. It's very satisfying to complete a hard fight that you struggled to clear. It's the same reason why Dark Souls exists, it's very satisfying to overcome an obstacle that you struggled and to finally grab the reward that you really wanted.

Not every game needs to be Animal Crossing.

And not every game need to be Dark Souls.

In fact, that's a pretty poor comparison in that Dark Souls it's on you learning the fights, not having to coordinate with 7 other people.

And let's be honest, some Dark Souls fights are more forgiving than EX/Savage.

[HeulGDarian]

And not every game need to be Dark Souls.

In fact, that's a pretty poor comparison in that Dark Souls it's on you learning the fights, not having to coordinate with 7 other people.

And let's be honest, some Dark Souls fights are more forgiving than EX/Savage.

i agree lets be honest, You people asking savage and ex to be nerfed is not simply laughable and bad for the game, its also extremely selfish. You already can clear in pf groups, if you hate having to coordinate with 7 other random players , then go find 7 players you can coordinate. Also no the game isnt Dark Souls especially not Ex fights, and this needs to be said till its drilled into your selfish head Savage or Ex trials is not something youre forced to do and also Bis is not necessary for anyone else but those who raid in super savage . you can already get 490 ilvl in a slower pace by simply doing dailies and when the next patch comes you can get 500 ilvl. You guys already stopped giving a shit in dungeons single pulling stuff or just using heal spells or using single targets on 12 mobs just so you can watch netflix and not only that you get upset if anyone tries to give you advice. You want to chill then go do literally every other content in the whole game

[Frizze]

And not every game need to be Dark Souls.

They add roughly 9 fights a year above the default difficulty level. They come out mostly in 6-7 month intervals, and rarely are there more then 5 active at a time. If the existence of a literal handful of instances that you cant do(and dont seem to want to work on being able to do) is that much of an issue for you then there is no point in trying to talk to you.

[Mavrias]

And not every game need to be Dark Souls.

In fact, that's a pretty poor comparison in that Dark Souls it's on you learning the fights, not having to coordinate with 7 other people.

And let's be honest, some Dark Souls fights are more forgiving than EX/Savage.

They make 8-9 hard fights a year. They don't need their difficulty nerfed because you can't rise to the challenge or play well with other people.

But here's some questions for you since you're so sure its the rest of the party's fault you can't clear. Your profile says you're a SCH main. Are you dpsing when the group doesn't need to be healed? Are you spending every GCD doing something? Are you using your Aetherflow and Fairy abilities efficiently? Are you keeping Aetherflow and Dissipation on cooldown? Using your Chain Stratagem as often as its up and aligning it with other raid buffs as applicable?

Or does 25% GCD uptime, 43% Biolysis uptime, wasted Aetherflow stacks, and 2/4 Chain Stratagems used sound more like you? If so, you have no business being in savage content blaming other people for your inability to clear.

[Payotz]

And not every game need to be Dark Souls.

In fact, that's a pretty poor comparison in that Dark Souls it's on you learning the fights, not having to coordinate with 7 other people.

And let's be honest, some Dark Souls fights are more forgiving than EX/Savage.

Let's compare the hardcore (not normal) content for various parts of the game:

Battle Content:
Hardcore side we have 12 savage fights, two ultimates, 3 sidequest EX trials, and an EX Trial for every story trial.
Casual content side we have 12 normal fights, 3 24 mans, 3 sidequest normal trials, normal story trials, Hildibrand Trials, 10+ dungeons, Hunts, Fates, Treasure Maps, Beast Tribe combat content, Relics, Trusts.

Let's go with Crafting and Gathering Content:

Hardcore content: Big Fish Fishing and Expert Crafts
Casual Content: 90% of the recipes in Ishgard Restoration and normal recipes, normal gathering on the Overworld and unspoiled gathering on the Overworld, and Ocean Fishing.

Let's go with something special, BLU Mage content:

Hardcore content: 6 savage raids at minimum ilvl and no echo for a mount and the Weekly EX trial. That's literally it.
Casual Content: Spell grinding, Masked Carnivale, BLU log (synced 24mans, Trials, and Dungeons).

The game doesn't even have enough hardcore content to be classified as a hardcore game or even close to Dark Souls and the content you're whining about is drastically overtaken by the casual content in this game.

Hell, there's literally no reason to do hardcore content at all. The story isn't tied behind raids anymore, and all the Savage/EX/Ultimates are just the Bard NPC exaggerating stories.
There's no exotics, there's no item that gives you +10 Faerie Gauge that every 5 seconds in the Savage Raid Gear.
There's literally no reason for you to get Savage Gear because There's no hard enrage content in casual content.

If you want the Amaro Mount, Level every job to 80.
If you want the Multifaceted Title, Level every crafter and gatherer to 80.
If you want the 2B Outfit, Do the Nier 24 mans.
If you want Savage Gear, Complete the Savage Content

Leave hardcore content alone and unironically, Get good .
If you can't take PF, Get friends, be social and get a static

[JamieRose]

Would you like some cheese with that whine?