will we get Garleans Race?

[MikkoAkure]

I'm happy to go back and fact check myself, but the actual job description on the official job description for Machinist from the developers states that the job is using magitek technology, which is not aether manipulation.

Additionally many other jobs are not manipulating aether just because their attacks are flashy. Consider the flashy attacks that Zenos uses when we right him, and he can not manipulate aether. Also before we talk about the resonant he has, I'll stop that right away and remind that this ability is basically the Echo, and doesn't enable Garleans to use magics.

From the lore book:

Aetherotransformer
This device converts the wearer's aether into lightning-aspected energy, which is then in turn stored within the transformer's power cores. The machinist then draws upon this accumulated energy to both power and enhance her unique repertoire of weapons, requiring her to master skills far beyond those trained by any mundane musketeer.

Other parts of the 2 lore books mention other DoW using aether to augment their strength or vitality or add magic to song, etc. The alchemy questline even mentions it. For the newer jobs, gunbreakers add aether to their cartridges, which is why Thancred needs Ryne. And Dancer's steps are magical and affect aether in themselves and others, according to Nashmeira.

Edit: Forgot to mention, but the whole point of the Resonant is to give Garleans aetherial manipulation. The Echo is only part of that. So your comment on that is not correct.

[Wyakin]

Your point is correct, but there are jobs that don't use any form of magic. Warrior, monk, dragoon, samurai, machinist, dancer, bard.

I don't think, to this point, that it would be good to introduce a race into the game that can play fewer than half of the jobs.

Monk: chakra magic
Bard: songs magic
Samurai: dashes among other things. Aether use, magic
Dancer: literally dances and produces buffs via aether. Magic
Dragoon: jumps an outrageous height via aether manipulation. Magic
Warrior: inner release is the release of aether lol. Magic
Machinist: no magic.

[thegreatonemal]

Your point is correct, but there are jobs that don't use any form of magic. Warrior, monk, dragoon, samurai, machinist, dancer, bard.

I don't think, to this point, that it would be good to introduce a race into the game that can play fewer than half of the jobs.

All of those use magic. Or rather aether. Magic is just a form of aether manipulation which Garleans cannot do.
@above machinist make their bullets out of aether its what that thing at your hip is for.

[Nestama]

Are the Resonant still a thing? The writers could easily put in a story about a group of rebel Resonant allied with the Populares fleeing the empire and settling in an Alliance city-state.

Not that I think that would ever happen, mind you. And playing a Garlean through ARR would be just as jarring as playing an Au Ra. Yugiri shows up and you’re like “Um, Yugiri, I’m one of you. You can take off that mask.”

Resonants weren't a thing until Stormblood, so definitely won't happen and if it did, it'd be way more jarring than Yugiri. Yugiri's race at least has implied history of having existed for generations, whereas Resonants didn't exist at all until a specific point in the Stormblood story.

[wereotter]

Edit: Forgot to mention, but the whole point of the Resonant is to give Garleans aetherial manipulation. The Echo is only part of that. So your comment on that is not correct.

Yes, but intent and outcome were not the same, this happens in experimental research. What we ended up with were people who could manipulate aether enough to detect changes in it, making them far more effective combatants, and the ability to resist death akin to what the Echo does for us, or to how the Ascians cheat death, but it did not succeed in allowing the Garleans to use traditional magics.

So that being the case, the workings of Zenos as a samurai mean that at least that job does not manipulate aether. And considering that if other jobs are manipulating it just to make themselves stronger/faster, the Garleans are naturally stronger than all the other races of Eorzea, and could be argued not to have need to manipulate aether to augment their already naturally high abilities.

[Edax]

Your point is correct, but there are jobs that don't use any form of magic. Warrior, monk, dragoon, samurai, machinist, dancer, bard.

Samurai can shoot energy beams from their katanas with the level 15 ranged attack Enpi. And the Midare Setsugekka covers the area around the Samurai in ice.

[Shougun]

I could see Garleans being allowed in via a 'forced' alternate start- a start that starts ahead of most content (so past ARR obviously), like how each race in WoW has it's own starting area and quests except a jump skip built in. The really unfortunate part being while you might give players access to new game plus MSQ to go back it would be, as everyone says, really awkward--unless perhaps they forced the player to cover up in all the cutscenes lol.



For MSQ cutscenes you could even have a script that hides it through makeup, but uh.. so many conversations are just dialog boxes- could do it for that too but that'd be extra weird a gem appearing and vanishing like some broken texture lol.

It really seems like just giving players a glamour option would be best (as Theo suggested), especially since they're (Garleans, races in general) a lot of effort for what amounts to be human plus jewelry. Perhaps just expand the options humans have instead (or all races if we're being greedy lol), and let players glamour a gem over their helmet if they so wish.

[Razard]

Resonants weren't a thing until Stormblood, so definitely won't happen and if it did, it'd be way more jarring than Yugiri. Yugiri's race at least has implied history of having existed for generations, whereas Resonants didn't exist at all until a specific point in the Stormblood story.

Even then, there are only 2 confirmed cases of the experimental procedure. Zeros and Fordola. And one of those was a Highlander.

[VargasVermillion]

Yes, but intent and outcome were not the same, this happens in experimental research. What we ended up with were people who could manipulate aether enough to detect changes in it, making them far more effective combatants, and the ability to resist death akin to what the Echo does for us, or to how the Ascians cheat death, but it did not succeed in allowing the Garleans to use traditional magics.

So that being the case, the workings of Zenos as a samurai mean that at least that job does not manipulate aether. And considering that if other jobs are manipulating it just to make themselves stronger/faster, the Garleans are naturally stronger than all the other races of Eorzea, and could be argued not to have need to manipulate aether to augment their already naturally high abilities.

Aulus mal Asina's entire goal was to grant garleans power over magic, his research was largely ignored until Zenos took interest in his work. Zeno's ability to use some samurai techniques actually come from crystals that have aether in them, it mentions this in a short story about zeno's sword training by a swordsman that tried to kill him for revenge and he did the technique using a crystal. I would wager his big gun chamber sheath has something to do with it now too.

[kaynide]

It’s the same reason why there won’t be hybrid races. They are either supposed to be rare or unusual. If players can be X, suddenly X will no longer be rare or unusual. Couple that with the above mentioned aether problems and garleans just don’t work.

You have to remember that while we (the pc) have access to everything, most characters (Garlean or otherwise) do not. If memory serves even being able to be a black mage or white mage was somewhat taboo.