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    So, a thought to express exactly where I am on the whole “job fantasy” stance. Summoned and Scholar. Both use the same weapon. Both share the same base class. Both summon and use... I’m not sure what to call their offensive magic, I guess just non elemental.

    Even if both of them were DPS or Healers I would not consider them the same “job fantasy”. Whereas to hear you all talk about them they would be the same job just about. Does that give an idea of how very different your opinion is from mine?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MirronTulaxia View Post
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    So you keep telling us what we have shown in terms of why we think it will be a caster is subjective and they could just change an expansions worth of lore, but what reasoning do you have for it being a healer outside of you just "thinking so"? Because there has been no indication that they would be pushing it in that direction. You are very very vocal about only seeing this class as a healer, but why? Just a gut feeling? I mean I could be remembering this whole thread wrong but rather than say why you want it as healer you have just been telling everyone "No".

    That would be like if Paladin hadn't been released yet, and they gave us an expansion's worth of story showing them as tanks and then them throwing it into the game as a melee dps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MirronTulaxia View Post
    So, a thought to express exactly where I am on the whole “job fantasy” stance. Summoned and Scholar. Both use the same weapon. Both share the same base class. Both summon and use... I’m not sure what to call their offensive magic, I guess just non elemental.

    Even if both of them were DPS or Healers I would not consider them the same “job fantasy”. Whereas to hear you all talk about them they would be the same job just about. Does that give an idea of how very different your opinion is from mine?
    If Summoner and Scholar were both Healers, I'd consider them too similar so as to be redundant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    If Summoner and Scholar were both Healers, I'd consider them too similar so as to be redundant.
    This right here. They work in the game because one is a healer and one is a caster. You are so close to getting where we are coming from on this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MirronTulaxia View Post
    2. Even if one wants to argue that White Mage still has it, one can very easily handle it by saying Geomancers are "Eastern" Nature Healers.
    This is it. This is exactly our point. With how SE wrote CNJ lore, and with how they’ve presented GEO up to this point, you can effectively sum up GEO as “Conjurer, but Japanese”. WHM may lose their elemental attacks but based on the animations of their Cure spells, I’d say they’re water-aspected, like I imagine GEO would probably do. Even Divine Benison is water-aspected. There’s too much overlap to justify them as a healer.
    Quote Originally Posted by MirronTulaxia View Post
    So, a thought to express exactly where I am on the whole “job fantasy” stance. Summoned and Scholar. Both use the same weapon. Both share the same base class. Both summon and use... I’m not sure what to call their offensive magic, I guess just non elemental.

    Even if both of them were DPS or Healers I would not consider them the same “job fantasy”. Whereas to hear you all talk about them they would be the same job just about. Does that give an idea of how very different your opinion is from mine?
    I focus on the Class Fantasy because if you have SMN and SCH both in the same role you have two classes doing the same job in the exact same manner: Summoning to Heal/DPS. These two get away with it because even if the core idea is the same (Summoning) they utilize their core idea in opposite manners (Healing and DPS). Another hypothetical example is having a sniper/musket Ranged Physical. The lore will be different from MCH and they'll have different attacks but at the end of the day they both have similar themes (gun wielding Ranged DPS) and would feel redundant.

    WHM and GEO would both heal with the power of nature. If a new player wants the fantasy of a healer using the elements to heal, they could pick CNJ. Adding GEO would give them 2 options, which mind you none of the other roles have, but it wouldn’t really amount much more than “CNJ, but Japanese”.

    Quote Originally Posted by MirronTulaxia View Post
    4. Trying to speculate on how many people would be excited or disappointed about an unknown job based off of subjective similarity to another job is pointless. You could just as easily say Casters would be disappointed to get Geomancer and thus they won't even do the job at all because it was similar to White Mage. At the end of the day you're dealing with such a small, small, small part of what a job looks like (what elements it uses) and then attempting to write whole cloth what that must mean.
    Disappointment about not getting the Job you want is one thing. Disappointment about getting a Job that’s similar to one we have in the same role would be a whole other level. It's a very realistic thing to keep in mind especially for a company with paying customers so you can't exactly rule it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GucciSan View Post
    This is it. This is exactly our point. With how SE wrote CNJ lore, and with how they’ve presented GEO up to this point, you can effectively sum up GEO as “Conjurer, but Japanese”. WHM may lose their elemental attacks but based on the animations of their Cure spells, I’d say they’re water-aspected, like I imagine GEO would probably do. Even Divine Benison is water-aspected. There’s too much overlap to justify them as a healer.
    Nitpick here, cure is wind-aspected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GucciSan View Post
    This is it. This is exactly our point. With how SE wrote CNJ lore, and with how they’ve presented GEO up to this point, you can effectively sum up GEO as “Conjurer, but Japanese”. WHM may lose their elemental attacks but based on the animations of their Cure spells, I’d say they’re water-aspected, like I imagine GEO would probably do. Even Divine Benison is water-aspected. There’s too much overlap to justify them as a healer.


    I focus on the Class Fantasy because if you have SMN and SCH both in the same role you have two classes doing the same job in the exact same manner: Summoning to Heal/DPS. These two get away with it because even if the core idea is the same (Summoning) they utilize their core idea in opposite manners (Healing and DPS). Another hypothetical example is having a sniper/musket Ranged Physical. The lore will be different from MCH and they'll have different attacks but at the end of the day they both have similar themes (gun wielding Ranged DPS) and would feel redundant.

    WHM and GEO would both heal with the power of nature. If a new player wants the fantasy of a healer using the elements to heal, they could pick CNJ. Adding GEO would give them 2 options, which mind you none of the other roles have, but it wouldn’t really amount much more than “CNJ, but Japanese”.



    Disappointment about not getting the Job you want is one thing. Disappointment about getting a Job that’s similar to one we have in the same role would be a whole other level. It's a very realistic thing to keep in mind especially for a company with paying customers so you can't exactly rule it out.
    To nail in on this last bit, it would be like someone who is expecting to get a berserker tank when we already have Warrior. Could you argue 13 pages for it, sure. Would they put it in? Eh.
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    I mean hell, if Geomancer was a healer why did he need us to heal the barrier and Kinko? Coulda straight up just done it himself?

    Now I do expect Geo to have A HEAL, akin to red mage and summoner, I just don’t see it being the main focus of the class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roda View Post
    Nitpick here, cure is wind-aspected.
    Imagine playing WHM for 80 levels and never realizing this
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    If Summoner and Scholar were both Healers, I'd consider them too similar so as to be redundant.
    And I wouldn’t. Ultimately this is just an opinion, yours is as well. The rest of this is really just an aside at this point with you all trying to treat this opinion as fact. It isn’t. There isn’t some rule written in the stars of what makes a job too similar to another. Which is really at the center of my stance.
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