Whats with the chemist obsession?

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Nurses after all are plenty "feminine" in terms of stereotypical gender role divisions

As a healthcare worker, I just cringed at that.

[MirronTulaxia]

As a healthcare worker, I just cringed at that.

Note that I'm not saying they are feminine. Just that in terms of stereotypes they are. People like to divide a lot of things along the lines of gender roles in ways that are utterly nonsensical.

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Note that I'm not saying they are feminine. Just that in terms of stereotypes they are. People like to divide a lot of things along the lines of gender roles in ways that are utterly nonsensical.

Then I wouldn't really use it as an example to prove a point if you don't even agree to it, especially when it's a false stereotype.
Besides, there's nothing feminine about taking care of people. It's a job that requires professionalism and precision since people's lives are at your hand. Something Chemist should be, yes. Not because it's somehow "feminine" due to a stereotype.

[MirronTulaxia]

Then I wouldn't really use it as an example to prove a point if you don't even agree to it, especially when it's a false stereotype.
Besides, there's nothing feminine about taking care of people. It's a job that requires professionalism and precision since people's lives are at your hand. Something Chemist should be, yes. Not because it's somehow "feminine" due to a stereotype.

I don't have to agree with a stereotype to point out how society thinks about matters. That's a really strange standard to apply to stereotypes.

And I wouldn't call White Mage or the others "feminine" either, yet here we are.

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I don't have to agree with a stereotype to point out how society thinks about matters. That's a really strange standard to apply to stereotypes.

And I wouldn't call White Mage or the others "feminine" either, yet here we are.

You don't, but I really wouldn't use it to point that Chemist could fit in the other healers that way, which is what you actually did. It sounds ignorant.

[MirronTulaxia]

You don't, but I really wouldn't use it to point that Chemist could fit in the other healers that way, which is what you actually did. It sounds ignorant.

My point is that Chemist is not inherently going to be noticeably different from existing healers. Not in terms of armor, not in terms of the aesthetics of their animation, etc.

And you're taking a lot of umbrage at the fact that Western society has stereotypes about certain occupations. Pointing that out isn't the same as endorsing it.

[SamRF]

Then I wouldn't really use it as an example to prove a point if you don't even agree to it, especially when it's a false stereotype.
Besides, there's nothing feminine about taking care of people. It's a job that requires professionalism and precision since people's lives are at your hand. Something Chemist should be, yes. Not because it's somehow "feminine" due to a stereotype.

Looking purely from semantics viewpoint, the word "feminine' doesn't mean that it's particularly for women, it's more to describe certain attributes (which are or used to be associated with women). Males can be more feminine than masculine and vice versa. To give another example, eastern religions/philosophies like Buddhism and Taoism are considered very feminine even though I'm assuming that most of their disciples (monks etc.) are male, thus males that are probably way more feminine than most women.

In the same way nursing may be considered feminine while it doesn't mean it's primarily for girls. What "femininity" entails isn't necessarily fluid and based on context, it's a set of attributes established a while ago and the word seems to still be used to describe that same set of attributes.

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Looking purely from semantics viewpoint, the word "feminine' doesn't mean that it's particularly for women, it's more to describe certain attributes (which are or used to be associated with women). Males can be more feminine than masculine and vice versa. To give another example, eastern religions/philosophies like Buddhism and Taoism are considered very feminine even though I'm assuming that most of their disciples (monks etc.) are male, thus males that are probably way more feminine than most women.

In the same way nursing may be considered feminine while it doesn't mean it's primarily for girls. What "femininity" entails isn't necessarily fluid and based on context, it's a set of attributes established a while ago and the word seems to still be used to describe that same set of attributes.

Religions and philosophies are being labeled with masculinity and femininity now...what? That is big news to me.
And yes, I'm aware what feminine means. I'm saying, nursing is...really not feminine lol, but something neutral. I already said why in the post you just quoted. It's also (ironically) quite the dirty job, something definitely not a feminine standard.

My point is that Chemist is not inherently going to be noticeably different from existing healers. Not in terms of armor, not in terms of the aesthetics of their animation, etc.

And you're taking a lot of umbrage at the fact that Western society has stereotypes about certain occupations. Pointing that out isn't the same as endorsing it.

You basically said that the nurse stereotype is something that is a possible take on Chemist. You are basically endorsing it. Anyway, I don't really feel like full-blown arguing about it. All I'm saying it's just ignorant.

[MirronTulaxia]

Religions and philosophies are being labeled with masculinity and femininity now...what? That is big news to me.
And yes, I'm aware what feminine means. I'm saying, nursing is...really not feminine lol, but something neutral. I already said why in the post you just quoted. It's also (ironically) quite the dirty job, something definitely not a feminine standard.

In terms of actual practice no job is feminine nor masculine. In terms of, again, social perceptions of those jobs, that's where what is being discussed comes into play.

And I would imagine the average person isn't aware of how dirty nursing is as a job.

[SamRF]

Religions and philosophies are being labeled with masculinity and femininity now...what? That is big news to me.
And yes, I'm aware what feminine means. I'm saying, nursing is...really not feminine lol, but something neutral. I already said why in the post you just quoted. It's also (ironically) quite the dirty job, something definitely not a feminine standard.

Yin yang is one analogy to showcase how religions will also fall under masculinity or femininity. Yin is considered feminine, passive, receiving, peaceful, ... Yang is considered masculine, active, agressive, ...

The average Buddhist monk will likely practice and indulge in more feminine attributes than the average woman.