Whats with the chemist obsession?

[Hank_Hotspur]

A thing people should consider is that if chemist are healers, then around 90% of the armor options are going to be heavy, mostly white robes. I realized that Dancers weren't going to be healers in Shadowbringers when a job based around fluid, constant movement would be ill-suited to be stuck in a role that has mostly very constricting armor choices. I'd love for a chemist to have AF gear that's a cool fantastical and tactical lab coat and a syringe gun-arm, but all the other gear for the role would join the ranks of people going "oh, another white robe" when every new raid and dungeon set is revealed.

[MirronTulaxia]

Yeah edgy probably wasn't the right word. Didn't mean to say they were edgy though, just "more edgy". Probably incorrect but in my mind I saw "edgy" as the opposite of "graceful/elegant" like how healers are like now, so basically what I meant is something more in the other direction (where edgy would be the extreme outer end perhaps). Not sure how to describe it though, sharper? More angular? Doesn't really matter but maybe interesting to think about the semantics :P

Eh, while I'm fine saying it possibly could be different from existing Healers I think people are kind of hyping themselves up for something that is unlikely to happen the way they imagine. Nurses after all are plenty "feminine" in terms of stereotypical gender role divisions, and certainly a possible take for Chemists. Magic in general tends to be more refined, and healing magic at least to me gives off the impression of delicate work.

[Allegor]

A thing people should consider is that if chemist are healers, then around 90% of the armor options are going to be heavy, mostly white robes. I realized that Dancers weren't going to be healers in Shadowbringers when a job based around fluid, constant movement would be ill-suited to be stuck in a role that has mostly very constricting armor choices. I'd love for a chemist to have AF gear that's a cool fantastical and tactical lab coat and a syringe gun-arm, but all the other gear for the role would join the ranks of people going "oh, another white robe" when every new raid and dungeon set is revealed.

I mean, at this point every other role got at least one job that defies their overall aesthetics; GNB the "light armor" tank, RDM the caster that wears no dresses, and DNC the ranged that doesn't want to be a cowboy. Healers are now the only role where all 3 jobs share the same aesthetic - which I personally always found odd, since the only healer who should be themed around white/holy is WHM, while AST looks best in black and SCH in green/blue, but that's just me.

Bottom line, whoever designs gear needs to get out of their comfort zone more often, specially if chemist does become the next healer

[MirronTulaxia]

I mean, at this point every other role got at least one job that defies their overall aesthetics; GNB the "light armor" tank, RDM the caster that wears no dresses, and DNC the ranged that doesn't want to be a cowboy. Healers are now the only role where all 3 jobs share the same aesthetic - which I personally always found odd, since the only healer who should be themed around white/holy is WHM, while AST looks best in black and SCH in green/blue, but that's just me.

Bottom line, whoever designs gear needs to get out of their comfort zone more often, specially if chemist does become the next healer

Just double checking things to make sure I'm not too off base, but the Healers don't share the same aesthetic in terms of AF. And in terms of the broad armor categories Gunbreaker/Dancer both share the same ones as the other roles. In terms of AF in general each jobs armor tends to be fairly similar too, it's not like they deviate wildly. At best one could argue that there should be more color variation, but even then poking around Casting tends towards black as the primary color fairly often as well. I just think some people dislike the aesthetics of Healers currently and don't realize that other jobs tend towards similar themes just as strongly.

And most likely outside of AF Chemist (or Geomancer, or Green Mage, or whatever) will still be using the same armor as other Healers. Poking around though and double checking I see more variety than I think people want to acknowledge.

[dinnertime]

Nurses after all are plenty "feminine" in terms of stereotypical gender role divisions

As a healthcare worker, I just cringed at that.

[MirronTulaxia]

As a healthcare worker, I just cringed at that.

Note that I'm not saying they are feminine. Just that in terms of stereotypes they are. People like to divide a lot of things along the lines of gender roles in ways that are utterly nonsensical.

[dinnertime]

Note that I'm not saying they are feminine. Just that in terms of stereotypes they are. People like to divide a lot of things along the lines of gender roles in ways that are utterly nonsensical.

Then I wouldn't really use it as an example to prove a point if you don't even agree to it, especially when it's a false stereotype.
Besides, there's nothing feminine about taking care of people. It's a job that requires professionalism and precision since people's lives are at your hand. Something Chemist should be, yes. Not because it's somehow "feminine" due to a stereotype.

[MirronTulaxia]

Then I wouldn't really use it as an example to prove a point if you don't even agree to it, especially when it's a false stereotype.
Besides, there's nothing feminine about taking care of people. It's a job that requires professionalism and precision since people's lives are at your hand. Something Chemist should be, yes. Not because it's somehow "feminine" due to a stereotype.

I don't have to agree with a stereotype to point out how society thinks about matters. That's a really strange standard to apply to stereotypes.

And I wouldn't call White Mage or the others "feminine" either, yet here we are.

[Kytrin]

Imagine their raise or LB3?

Lol oh man, just the thought gives me crazed Bakugo vibes! He will heal you into a puddle of blood until you beg for mercy! XD

[dinnertime]

I don't have to agree with a stereotype to point out how society thinks about matters. That's a really strange standard to apply to stereotypes.

And I wouldn't call White Mage or the others "feminine" either, yet here we are.

You don't, but I really wouldn't use it to point that Chemist could fit in the other healers that way, which is what you actually did. It sounds ignorant.