Change The Rules For Leaving Dungeons (aka Why People Insta-Quit Castrum Meridianum)

[Arngrim_Greyashe]

The OP's attitude is pure toxicity. "Help me through a dungeon you don't want to do or you should just stop playing this game." I'm all for helping people through things, but FORCING people to stay if they don't want to is literally holding them hostage. No thanks. Maybe reevaluate how seriously you're taking this game, OP.

[Morningstar1337]

The primary issue is that at a certain point, the MSQ roueltte offers two mutually exclusive rewards.

The first of which is tomestones, which are used to buy endgame gear to get a jump start on xpac dungeons for "free", players farmingthsoe would prefer meridianun because its shorter. Though this msolty applies to the SHB tomes as until you're capped you cna get both poetics and exp at the same time.

However the second is a massive amount of exp that could give you a full bar or close to most of the time...if you get Prae.

The simplest solution would be to just remove the MSQ roulette and make them solo instances or Level 50 light party dungeons (brinigntem a little in line with other simialr dungeons). You know, Solomon the rewards. As making them give the same amount of exp would just makepeople ragequit prae instead, shifting the problem.

[Avidria]

I don't get why people leave Castrum. The way I see it, the primary draw of the MSQ roulette is to get poetics, and Castrum is nearly twice as fast as Prae yet gives just as many poetics. And if you're there for EXP on the side, you're really just shooting your own EXP in the foot by leaving and giving yourself a lockout.

That's why I leave when someone else already left first. No lockout, no suffering through a dungeon I don't enjoy for a fraction of the exp I could've had in Prae. Only real loss is the queue time but it's worth it for me purely because Castrum is just so unenjoyable. Not that Prae IS enjoyable, but at least in Prae it's about 70% afking through cutscenes where I can go do something else at the same time.

I'd wager this will be a non-issue come 5.3. The devs are not oblivious to the unhappiness with which much of the player base regards Castrum Meridianum and the Praetorium. I will be genuinely surprised if their ARR revision todo list didn't include converting Castrum Meridianum and Praetorium into solo duties or light party dungeons.

I'd be sad to see the easy exp go, but frankly this is something I think they definitely should do. Those never should have been group dungeons at all, and I'm glad they seem to agree and haven't made the mistake of filling raids with long cutscenes again.

[MariaArvana]

I've always just been a simple fan of creating the penalty of: "if you leave/or are kicked in a dungeon that pops in a roulette, then when you try to re-queue later, it'll <only> put you back into that dungeon with a new group."

So if someone genuinely had to leave or someone got a genuienly toxic group, etc; they take their 30min penalty, come back, re-queue and the game puts them back into the dungeon they left before. No biggie. But for people trying to get a specific dungeon (Castrum vs Prae, people leaving if they get a 'hard' 24 man, etc) Then if you leave your Castrum group? You're getting thrown back into Castrum if you try to queue again later, turning it into a 'either do the dungeon or forfeit your daily bonus' deal.

[Tsalmaveth]

No.

No one has a right to 'force' anyone to do any dungeon they do not want to do. Ever.

[Deceptus]

Or improve the rewards to make running Castrum more appealing instead of how it feels now, which is the "ugh I could've had Prae" roulette sink
Make a forced delay on when you can leave and you just end up with people refusing to move and asking to be kicked more often, probably. That already happens now with people not wanting to eat the 30 minute timer.
Also, some dungeons (a lot of dungeons if the group is good) literally take like 15-20 minutes so you'd be effectively locking people in for the entire dungeon regardless of what may or may not happen - including irl stuff. Again leaving somebody as afk deadweight and requiring a kick.

This. People quit because they don't think the reward is worth the effort / time investment.

That's purely on the SE Dev team.

[Morningstar1337]

This. People quit because they don't think the reward is worth the effort / time investment.

That's purely on the SE Dev team.

I suguessted it in a different thread and IIRD I got a response that mention that it shifted the problem (As I mention on my post in this thread), by making Prae unappealing in comparison (more time for the same amount or less EXP). Its a catch-22

[RyuDragnier]

No.

No one has a right to 'force' anyone to do any dungeon they do not want to do. Ever.

Main story says "hi".

[Tsalmaveth]

Main story says "hi".

That still doesn't force other people to do it more than once, and certainly doesn't give anyone the right to force them to. If others have already done it and are not interested in it, they are FREE TO LEAVE. There is already a penalty for dropping out. That's all there needs to be. Both of those dungeons can already be done with less than 8.

[Liam_Harper]

I actually tried MSQ roulette earlier for a change of pace.

The queue took 28 minutes, then Castrum took another 30 or so and I got maybe 1.3m exp at lv57. On the other hand, I can clear Sohm Ahl in 12-14 minutes with my offence 5 stacked Squadron for 1 mil exp. MSQ isn't a bad chunk of poetics, but then I can still do a full hunt train and 2 Sohm Ahl runs in the same time which is tons more reward.