Change The Rules For Leaving Dungeons (aka Why People Insta-Quit Castrum Meridianum)

[Novaura]

Nearly every time I have got Castrum Meridianum in Main Scenario roulette over the last few months, there is a player who leaves the dungeon before it even starts and it is becoming more and more ridiculous. Because as soon as one player quits, everyone else follows suit.

The rules for leaving dungeons need to be changed. There I am asking for a rule that I call the "Castrum Meridianum" rule. Make it so that at least 15 minutes passes before a player leaves a dungeon willingly thereby discouraging a player from leaving and that have to stay and support their party instead of continously abandoning them and making them either wait for a replacement or leaving the dungeon and forcing them to requeue, in DPS instances for a long time.

It's time that players of this game step up and help each other out. This is a game that makes you do that and if that is beyond your comprehension, then just stop playing.

[LaylaTsarra]

I don't find people do that as much now. That was a problem for quite some time but seems to have gotten much better for me at least and I run main at least twice a day on two different characters. I don't think the penalty needs to be increased but the differences in xp awarded for that duty should be higher than it is. That's why people are leaving.

[Edax]

I don't find people do that as much now. That was a problem for quite some time but seems to have gotten much better for me at least and I run main at least twice a day on two different characters. I don't think the penalty needs to be increased but the differences in xp awarded for that duty should be higher than it is. That's why people are leaving.

Uhh, I myself did this just yesterday. 2 People left Castrum, so I left. Then I got Praetorium and my progress from level 79 to 80 as RDM was assured. Granted most of the time people will stick with Castrum, but it's still a regular occurrence that people ditch it. I've done the MSQ roulette everyday for the past 7 days and ditched Castrum twice because people starting leaving.

[Avidria]

Or improve the rewards to make running Castrum more appealing instead of how it feels now, which is the "ugh I could've had Prae" roulette sink
Make a forced delay on when you can leave and you just end up with people refusing to move and asking to be kicked more often, probably. That already happens now with people not wanting to eat the 30 minute timer.
Also, some dungeons (a lot of dungeons if the group is good) literally take like 15-20 minutes so you'd be effectively locking people in for the entire dungeon regardless of what may or may not happen - including irl stuff. Again leaving somebody as afk deadweight and requiring a kick.

[Deceptus]

Or improve the rewards to make running Castrum more appealing instead of how it feels now, which is the "ugh I could've had Prae" roulette sink
Make a forced delay on when you can leave and you just end up with people refusing to move and asking to be kicked more often, probably. That already happens now with people not wanting to eat the 30 minute timer.
Also, some dungeons (a lot of dungeons if the group is good) literally take like 15-20 minutes so you'd be effectively locking people in for the entire dungeon regardless of what may or may not happen - including irl stuff. Again leaving somebody as afk deadweight and requiring a kick.

This. People quit because they don't think the reward is worth the effort / time investment.

That's purely on the SE Dev team.

[Morningstar1337]

This. People quit because they don't think the reward is worth the effort / time investment.

That's purely on the SE Dev team.

I suguessted it in a different thread and IIRD I got a response that mention that it shifted the problem (As I mention on my post in this thread), by making Prae unappealing in comparison (more time for the same amount or less EXP). Its a catch-22

[Penthea]

The rules for leaving dungeons need to be changed. There I am asking for a rule that I call the "Castrum Meridianum" rule. Make it so that at least 15 minutes passes before a player leaves a dungeon willingly thereby discouraging a player from leaving and that have to stay and support their party instead of continously abandoning them and making them either wait for a replacement or leaving the dungeon and forcing them to requeue, in DPS instances for a long time.

No. The freedom of being able to leave when you want is important.

What if you have an emergency and have to leave the game? Right now you can just say "sorry I gotta go" leave, and the group can continue without you or get someone else. If a player cannot leave within the first 15 minutes of the dungeon then that means the group is landed with a dead weight no one can do anything about if a player, for whatever reason, is unable to play.

Also with how the blacklist system works, players should have the freedom to leave an unpleasant situation if they want to. Blacklisting someone doesn't remove them from the pool of players DF uses to make groups. What if you end up in a DF group that has a person who bullied you? Well tough poop you have to endure them for 15 minutes before the game allows you to leave.

Anyway that 15 minute period of being unable to leave cannot stop a player from just shutting down the game and wait out the 15 minutes before launching it again. Your suggestion doesn't really fix anything. It would cause more problems.

Or improve the rewards to make running Castrum more appealing instead of how it feels now, which is the "ugh I could've had Prae" roulette sink

Reducing the incentive to leave is how you fix this. Make it so that the content feels worthwhile to play instead of keeping as an "uuuuuuurgh this is a waste of time compared to Prae" situation.

[Verrabbit]

Make it so that at least 15 minutes passes before a player leaves a dungeon willingly thereby discouraging a player from leaving and that have to stay and support their party instead of continously abandoning them and making them either wait for a replacement or leaving the dungeon and forcing them to requeue, in DPS instances for a long time.

If people don't want to run "x dungeon", be it Castrum Meridianum, (insert unpopular dungeon here), etc., then I doubt that would change their mind and would just lead to more issues: people would DC/force-quit to get around the timer, resulting in them being dead weights that can't be replaced without them being kicked (which can only be initiated after 5 minutes). At least in the case of Castrum, if people leave before the gate drops, the party refills almost instantly.

[Violet_Galaxy]

Nearly every time I have got Castrum Meridianum in Main Scenario roulette over the last few months, there is a player who leaves the dungeon before it even starts and it is becoming more and more ridiculous. Because as soon as one player quits, everyone else follows suit.

The rules for leaving dungeons need to be changed. There I am asking for a rule that I call the "Castrum Meridianum" rule. Make it so that at least 15 minutes passes before a player leaves a dungeon willingly thereby discouraging a player from leaving and that have to stay and support their party instead of continously abandoning them and making them either wait for a replacement or leaving the dungeon and forcing them to requeue, in DPS instances for a long time.

It's time that players of this game step up and help each other out. This is a game that makes you do that and if that is beyond your comprehension, then just stop playing.

No. I'd rather they leave in the beginning then have to worry about the inevitable vote kick drama that normally follows when a vote kick doesn't pass. That issue, while it still happens, has slowed down significantly based on my experience.

[Rongway]

Oh, you crossposted this. Okay. Here's my reply again.


I'd wager this will be a non-issue come 5.3. The devs are not oblivious to the unhappiness with which much of the player base regards Castrum Meridianum and the Praetorium. I will be genuinely surprised if their ARR revision todo list didn't include converting Castrum Meridianum and Praetorium into solo duties or light party dungeons.


But at any rate, it sounds like what you want to do is hold people hostage, and if you think that'll cause fewer attitude problems in the DF, you are quite mistaken.

And I'm saying that as someone who has not once in the history of the game ever left a duty at the start just because the roulette didn't put me in the duty I wanted. Forcing people to stay in a duty they don't want to do isn't going to fix anything. The people who would leave and take a 30 minute DF lockout now are the same people who have no reservations against idling at the entrance for fifteen minutes or until the party kicks them. What you ask will just increase nonparticipation.