Cash Shop Announcements from EU Stream

[SongJoohee]

I've added the full quote to the original post so people can interpret it either way, and hopefully not just the way I originally interpreted it. Hopefully the community team can come clarify.

[ApolloGenX]

ToS/EULA tells you - Your sub grants you access to the game - everything else is up to SE's discretion.

Firstly, I was asking what the revenue from subs pays for- not what we get from it. If subs aren't enough to fund the game, then the cash shop is being forced because the game has money problems.... that is a bigger problem.

As far as the ToS. Yeah, that isn't a definition of what it gets you. It's a giant disclaimer that content may change. ToS isn't an excuse for anything, it's also not permanent or binding. So, please stop with the ToS broken record. It doesn't make anything good business or a good idea. Players can still cancel and walk away when SE does crappy stuff.

Define correctly? Because every update since even 1.0 days everything has been implemented correctly in the sense it's not broken.

Since 1.0 everything has been done correctly? 1.0 was broken...they remade the game because... nevermind. No point arguing. I get it, you agree with anything SE does. That's cool... I am just not sure what your goal is coming and replying to legitimate issues by people with generic "ToS" and "I think everything they do is perfect" posts?

[Sammich]

edit: I see someone posted pretty much the same thing just above XD Ah well.

Haha glad I'm not the only one being a cynical bastard!

[Tupsi]

Since 1.0 everything has been done correctly? 1.0 was broken...

Funny how ARR is still utilizing content and systems introduced in 1.0 - 1.23, therefore it was clearly "implemented correctly", hence I asked you to define: "Correctly", because it clearly was correct enough to retain the armory system, the guildleve system, the concept of DoH/DoL as their own classes so on and so forth (not even getting into the yoshida era of updates that retained on the "broken engine.")

I get it, you agree with anything SE does. That's cool...

Incorrect - I'm just not going to disagree with everything they does because I can see it from all sides, rather than blinded by one side.

generic "ToS"

It's only "generic" when it kills your argument - you do not hit "I agree" if you disagree with it, why is that so hard for people to understand?

If subs aren't enough to fund the game

Sub fee is money to SE which goes to whatever SE feels - They're a business. Do you work? Pretty much every company allocates any gross revenue into various areas, not solely to one aspect. FFXI funded numerous projects and kept SE themselves afloat for numerous years.

then the cash shop is being forced because the game has money problems.... that is a bigger problem.

It's not money problems - SE sees a business opportunity, they're taking it - They know people will pay for it and thus make more money. SE, once again, is a business. I'm pretty sure you look for opportunities to make money, no?

[Elven]

Did they happen to mention what subs were used to pay for... and if it's not enough to implement things correctly, is the cash shop the result of them having a problem maintaining subscribers?

Just curious, since cash shops are usually cheesy methods to get cash from players and can signal revenue problems.

As far as what the shop will sell- don't really care what he says. They will sell whatever they need to in order to make revenue figures. That's not a promise he is able to guarantee, so I am glad that is what he would like today- but it really isn't anything but lip service.

I suspect it's wholly a marketing campaign for more $$$ They did their due diligence with fan fest and figured there is a demand for it. I'm not that kind of fan and all I care about is the game. But I know somebody will be throwing money at that shop.

[Cynfael]

They are never going to release an itemized breakdown of their expenses. What business ever does that? What is wrong with people that they think that expectation to be remotely reasonable?

As long as you enjoy SE's product, keep paying and playing. When you no longer enjoy the product or decide for other reasons not to use it, stop paying and playing. When they offer additional product for additional fees, take it or leave it as you will; it's no different than choosing to purchase additional retainer services or fantasia. What is so difficult about these concepts that keeps players bitching day after day before anything has actually launched?

As for what SE is spending their money on as far as this game is concerned, you'll never know, so stop asking. Your only gauge will be "does there appear to be more content going into the cash shop and less going into my subscribed gaming experience?" If the answer ever becomes "yes," then be concerned.

[ApolloGenX]

Funny how ARR is still utilizing content and systems introduced in 1.0 - 1.23, therefore it was clearly "implemented correctly", hence I asked you to define: "Correctly", because it clearly was correct enough to retain the armory system, the guildleve system, the concept of DoH/DoL as their own classes so on and so forth (not even getting into the yoshida era of updates that retained on the "broken engine.")

There was too much broken with 1.0 to go into this. I will leave you to it.

Incorrect - I'm just not going to disagree with everything they does because I can see it from all sides, rather than blinded by one side.

Considering your remark above, you are completely detached from reality. That's ok. You are either trolling or are madly in love with SE - either way you are happy and it would be wasting my time to argue.

It's only "generic" when it kills your argument - you do not hit "I agree" if you disagree with it, why is that so hard for people to understand?

It does nothing regarding my argument. If you knew what a TOS was, you would know it's nothing but guidelines for users. It has ZERO to do with bad business practices that can cause users to be dissatisfied and leave. ZERO. Please stop trying to fake-lawyer the situation.

Sub fee is money to SE which goes to whatever SE feels - They're a business. Do you work? Pretty much every company allocates any gross revenue into various areas, not solely to one aspect. FFXI funded numerous projects and kept SE themselves afloat for numerous years.

Irrelevant comment. I asked if sub fees were enough to fund the game or if this was needed to keep the game going because subs aren't cutting it.

It's not money problems - SE sees a business opportunity, they're taking it - They know people will pay for it and thus make more money. SE, once again, is a business. I'm pretty sure you look for opportunities to make money, no?

We don't know this. All we know is that Yoshi originally said subs would fund the game and no cash shops. Now there's a cash shop. That signals that there could be revenue issues to me- considering he had to go back on his original statements.... and you wonder why I find his illusory promises to be suspect.

[Lycieus]

I've been reading all the cash shop threads with interest for the last week. Of all the people opposed to the idea, I haven't seen anyone express worry about it being pay-to-win.

The the way the response is worded might comfort people, in that it could be construed to mean that the items in the cash shop are not only in the cash shop, but also obtainable in game. However, taken another way, the same sentence can mean exactly what people were afraid of, a bunch of exclusive items wasting development resources no matter how minute, that could have been used to develop content for everyone.

I don't really want to see this game and SE become like blizz and WoW. Where all the mounts that aren't reskins, and all the pets with more than 2 polys are only available via microtransaction.

[NessaWyvern]

I don't really want to see this game and SE become like blizz and WoW. Where all the mounts that aren't reskins, and all the pets with more than 2 polys are only available via microtransaction.

Not to mention, if you did pet battles, then WoW IS pay to win. Some of their pets they sell are stupidly OP in Pet battles.
I used to do a lot of pet battles, but then they continuously released ugly-ass pets with stupid OP abilities on the cash shop (they knew exactly what they were doing), so I stopped playing.

[Iscah]

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