Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

The continued insistence on MORE LORE NEEDED is silly when we get an xpac with new lore built on top of what we currently have every 2 years. How to explain m viera? Garlemald. War. Ascian shenanigans. Take your pick. Hrothgar, F viera, Au Ra - none of these were common sights outside their ~conveniently far away homeland~ in large numbers until..they were suddenly allowed to. And now no one bats an eye in-game or as players.

Male Viera or Viera in General already existed before the Au-ra and the Hrothgar.
Nobody is saying (currently) that more lore is NEEDED. The conversation is: It would be Nice/I would personally LIKE if they expanded the lore on Viera to bring the Male Viera in.

The other races were written in to already exist in some way. It is not written for male viera to suddenly leave the forest to go adventuring.
It can, and it might happen. My whole argument is it would just be nice and might win more people over to support it IF they put in that kind of effort to write a Pre-existing race with its own lore into this MMO.

[Lauront]

No, no and no. You weren't expected to choose Hrothgar and everything would be forgotten or "You needed something different". They never said that. You, yourself, implied that. They are working toward adding the missing genders or they would just straight up say "No, were not adding them", which they have not said yet which means obviously they are.

As for your "Balance".....blame your community. People swarmed the idea of wanting male characters able to wear dresses and this and that but when it comes to actual manly characteristics, they turn the other way. You may think it was a minority but apparently alot of people supported it hence why it's now in the game. Also female characters will always be more popular in MMO's.

It depends; WoW for instance it has had a prevalence of male over female characters. Still, it's something like 45/55 overall for XIV, so it's not that huge an imbalance. Similar for GW2.

Regarding a lot of people swarming the idea of males wearing dresses... yes, there was a lot of vocal forum and social media pushes for it. But considering that, as we're constantly reminded, neither of these venues is representative of the playerbase as a whole, it's not inconsistent with what he's saying.

[Rokke]

Male Viera or Viera in General already existed before the Au-ra and the Hrothgar.
Nobody is saying (currently) that more lore is NEEDED. The conversation is: It would be Nice/I would personally LIKE if they expanded the lore on Viera to bring the Male Viera in.

The other races were written in to already exist in some way. It is not written for male viera to suddenly leave the forest to go adventuring.
It can, and it might happen. My whole argument is it would just be nice and might win more people over to support it IF they put in that kind of effort to write a Pre-existing race with its own lore into this MMO.

Who is to say that they couldn't add on to existing lore? Rabnastere was recently nuked. Displaced Dalmascans have recently wandered into the surrounding jungle in large numbers. Othard has recently attempted to unite an alliance of all willing eastern peoples. Garlemald has recently been thrown into a civil war with multiple factions across different lands zerging for the crown. Occupied territories have recently begun attempts to chase out now-stranded Garlean forces. Ascians have recently been pushed into a corner and are now looking to pull the stops on forcibly recreating the world.

These are all fairly fresh happenings in game canon that can effect the ballpark of where Viera (and even Hrothgar to an extent) live. As it is now, the door is open for the missing genders on a "Well, we haven't seen them but-" note. We know that Garlean interference has been the main cause of females leaving their homes. Could Garleamald's scorched earth policies force the males out? Could increased outside pressure force them to begrudgingly work alongside other races? Could a small group of disenchanted/demoralized males strike it out after the villages they were to protect were destroyed? All races have a little blurb on the character creation screen that kind of explain their role in the world. I don't see why we should doubt the males getting lore if they became playable.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Who is to say that they couldn't add on to existing lore? Rabnastere was recently nuked. Displaced Dalmascans have recently wandered into the surrounding jungle in large numbers. Othard has recently attempted to unite an alliance of all willing eastern peoples. Garlemald has recently been thrown into a civil war with multiple factions across different lands zerging for the crown. Occupied territories have recently begun attempts to chase out now-stranded Garlean forces. Ascians have recently been pushed into a corner and are now looking to pull the stops on forcibly recreating the world.

These are all fairly fresh happenings in game canon that can effect the ballpark of where Viera (and even Hrothgar to an extent) live. As it is now, the door is open for the missing genders on a "Well, we haven't seen them but-" note. We know that Garlean interference has been the main cause of females leaving their homes. Could Garleamald's scorched earth policies force the males out? Could increased outside pressure force them to begrudgingly work alongside other races? Could a small group of disenchanted/demoralized males strike it out after the villages they were to protect were destroyed? All races have a little blurb on the character creation screen that kind of explain their role in the world. I don't see why we should doubt the males getting lore if they became playable.

Its funny, your agreeing with me and you dont even know it.
This is exactly what Im talking about: Expanding the Lore. This crap right here is what Im talking about when I say They can be Written In. Which would mean SE/Yoshi and team have been taking steps that would include Male Viera in a natural World Building Lore Expanding way. Instead of "Hurr-durr put them in Just Because"

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[Rokke]

Its funny, your agreeing with me and you dont even know it.

My point is that lore is always being added onto as the story progresses. Saying "I would support them if lore was added" is redundant because this is a story based game where things happen because of the story. If we get the missing genders they will have, at minimum, a blurb on the creation/expansion page and the entirety of the game's remaining lifespan to elaborate on their lore. There is absolutely no reason to believe that the devs would plop them into the world willy nilly and never ever touch on it.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

My point is that lore is always being added onto as the story progresses. Saying "I would support them if lore was added" is redundant because this is a story based game where things happen because of the story. If we get the missing genders they will have, at minimum, a blurb on the creation/expansion page and the entirety of the game's remaining lifespan to elaborate on their lore. There is absolutely no reason to believe that the devs would plop them into the world willy nilly and never ever touch on it.

And yet, there are people here who think SE should just plop them in Willy Nilly because they dont think it matters. Just put them in the game.
Either way, you said something I was advocating for, Write them In. Not just Put them In

[Crushnight]

Females already get a bust slider as it is. However, I doubt anyone's going to complain that they expand the male facial hair options a bit. Overall CC improvements are in high demand, but I expect most people would be more satisfied with better textures and a greater variety of options, rather than SE just tacking on a feature arbitrarily for the sake of some imaginary tally, like facial hair for females, which the vast majority of people would say adds nothing to/detracts from their looks.

Sorry i'mma going have to do a really?

What happens when male characters get a nicer glam over females? They complain ours looks good can work for them on their gender and ask for it. Do they accept that males would have access to theirs then some do, some, which is what i'm highlighting you can bet my ass Theo's ass and your own ass that if males saw improvement to CC with added facial features there would be plenty of females demanding something for them in the CC.



Hein's outfit is horribly bad from a texture standpoint and needs to be redone no arguments about that, 2B's outfit however had far greater fan influence than Hein outfit wishes it could have had because another male npc outfit is totally going to be valued at the same level as the first piece of gear that gets rid of cardboard butts something people have wanted since 2.0, the reason that got such a response was because it had fan outrage that was high enough last thing before that from the forums was the missing genders.

If you think they should respond to every single problem someone has then XD XD XD they will weigh it up and decide if worthwhile clearly Hein's outfit is low priority probably due to statistics such as sales of the outfit + how many are wearing it + how many people have requested to fix it etc etc. And clearly a lot of forum threads do not get passed on regardless how popular they get due to Yoshi P's response about stubble (seriously baffles me on that one ik how long that has been requested for and usually well wanted by those that play male characters).

[wereotter]

Male Viera or Viera in General already existed before the Au-ra and the Hrothgar.
Nobody is saying (currently) that more lore is NEEDED. The conversation is: It would be Nice/I would personally LIKE if they expanded the lore on Viera to bring the Male Viera in.

The other races were written in to already exist in some way. It is not written for male viera to suddenly leave the forest to go adventuring.
It can, and it might happen. My whole argument is it would just be nice and might win more people over to support it IF they put in that kind of effort to write a Pre-existing race with its own lore into this MMO.

I would argue they don't need to say anything at all. They can allow players to be male viera and leave it at that without adding any male NPCs. They can leave the general lore established in tact within NPCs while allowing players to play the sex of the race. Look at it like this. There's no lore explaining why there are so many cat boy PCs. They simply don't put as many of them into the NPC areas.

I've mentioned this before, but there are only 3-4 male miquotes between both of their villages in the fringes and southern thanalan while there are over 40 females between them. They do the same thing with duskwight elezen. Lore says they live underground, only rarely coming up the the surface, so we almost never see them as NPCs while players are free to be that variant of the race.

I can only see them saying anything at all if we interact with viera settlements on the Source, which we have not yet done, and even then probably only in side quests. Though if I had to guess, it could be connected to the goings on at the Oborrne Monastery + Imperial Invasion that both encouraged them to look beyond their borders and forced them to move on from where they were.

[Lauront]

Sorry i'mma going have to do a really?

What happens when male characters get a nicer glam over females? They complain ours looks good can work for them on their gender and ask for it. Do they accept that males would have access to theirs then some do, some, which is what i'm highlighting you can bet my ass Theo's ass and your own ass that if males saw improvement to CC with added facial features there would be plenty of females demanding something for them in the CC.

I don't see them being up in arms over them adding a single beard to the existing selection, really, nor do I believe anyone playing a female would see beards being added to females as at all necessary or as an offset.

If they were to do something like that, it's likelier that they would add some feature actually in demand by people playing female characters, like the 2B butt modifications.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I would argue they don't need to say anything at all. They can allow players to be male viera and leave it at that without adding any male NPCs. They can leave the general lore established in tact within NPCs while allowing players to play the sex of the race. Look at it like this. There's no lore explaining why there are so many cat boy PCs. They simply don't put as many of them into the NPC areas.

I've mentioned this before, but there are only 3-4 male miquotes between both of their villages in the fringes and southern thanalan while there are over 40 females between them. They do the same thing with duskwight elezen. Lore says they live underground, only rarely coming up the the surface, so we almost never see them as NPCs while players are free to be that variant of the race.

I can only see them saying anything at all if we interact with viera settlements on the Source, which we have not yet done, and even then probably only in side quests. Though if I had to guess, it could be connected to the goings on at the Oborrne Monastery + Imperial Invasion that both encouraged them to look beyond their borders and forced them to move on from where they were.

People love to bring in an XIV race when talking about an Ivalice Race. -sigh-
I wont disagree with the idea that the Player could be the ONE Male Viera under some random unexplained circumstance that went out adventuring and happens to be The Warrior of Light; Hydalyns chosen Champion. But this is an MMO so no doubt there will be a number of other MaleViera: which under the Players eye is just another Random Adventurer, running around. So to circumvent this, I think they should have a number, even a small number of Male Viera NPCs.
At least then we can at least World Build that the Viera Males in general have come out of Hidding and are joining their 'Sisters' in the outside World.
That to me would just make more sense and be better then Just slapping in the Viera Males.