Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

The continued insistence on MORE LORE NEEDED is silly when we get an xpac with new lore built on top of what we currently have every 2 years. How to explain m viera? Garlemald. War. Ascian shenanigans. Take your pick. Hrothgar, F viera, Au Ra - none of these were common sights outside their ~conveniently far away homeland~ in large numbers until..they were suddenly allowed to. And now no one bats an eye in-game or as players.

Male Viera or Viera in General already existed before the Au-ra and the Hrothgar.
Nobody is saying (currently) that more lore is NEEDED. The conversation is: It would be Nice/I would personally LIKE if they expanded the lore on Viera to bring the Male Viera in.

The other races were written in to already exist in some way. It is not written for male viera to suddenly leave the forest to go adventuring.
It can, and it might happen. My whole argument is it would just be nice and might win more people over to support it IF they put in that kind of effort to write a Pre-existing race with its own lore into this MMO.

[Rokke]

Male Viera or Viera in General already existed before the Au-ra and the Hrothgar.
Nobody is saying (currently) that more lore is NEEDED. The conversation is: It would be Nice/I would personally LIKE if they expanded the lore on Viera to bring the Male Viera in.

The other races were written in to already exist in some way. It is not written for male viera to suddenly leave the forest to go adventuring.
It can, and it might happen. My whole argument is it would just be nice and might win more people over to support it IF they put in that kind of effort to write a Pre-existing race with its own lore into this MMO.

Who is to say that they couldn't add on to existing lore? Rabnastere was recently nuked. Displaced Dalmascans have recently wandered into the surrounding jungle in large numbers. Othard has recently attempted to unite an alliance of all willing eastern peoples. Garlemald has recently been thrown into a civil war with multiple factions across different lands zerging for the crown. Occupied territories have recently begun attempts to chase out now-stranded Garlean forces. Ascians have recently been pushed into a corner and are now looking to pull the stops on forcibly recreating the world.

These are all fairly fresh happenings in game canon that can effect the ballpark of where Viera (and even Hrothgar to an extent) live. As it is now, the door is open for the missing genders on a "Well, we haven't seen them but-" note. We know that Garlean interference has been the main cause of females leaving their homes. Could Garleamald's scorched earth policies force the males out? Could increased outside pressure force them to begrudgingly work alongside other races? Could a small group of disenchanted/demoralized males strike it out after the villages they were to protect were destroyed? All races have a little blurb on the character creation screen that kind of explain their role in the world. I don't see why we should doubt the males getting lore if they became playable.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Who is to say that they couldn't add on to existing lore? Rabnastere was recently nuked. Displaced Dalmascans have recently wandered into the surrounding jungle in large numbers. Othard has recently attempted to unite an alliance of all willing eastern peoples. Garlemald has recently been thrown into a civil war with multiple factions across different lands zerging for the crown. Occupied territories have recently begun attempts to chase out now-stranded Garlean forces. Ascians have recently been pushed into a corner and are now looking to pull the stops on forcibly recreating the world.

These are all fairly fresh happenings in game canon that can effect the ballpark of where Viera (and even Hrothgar to an extent) live. As it is now, the door is open for the missing genders on a "Well, we haven't seen them but-" note. We know that Garlean interference has been the main cause of females leaving their homes. Could Garleamald's scorched earth policies force the males out? Could increased outside pressure force them to begrudgingly work alongside other races? Could a small group of disenchanted/demoralized males strike it out after the villages they were to protect were destroyed? All races have a little blurb on the character creation screen that kind of explain their role in the world. I don't see why we should doubt the males getting lore if they became playable.

Its funny, your agreeing with me and you dont even know it.
This is exactly what Im talking about: Expanding the Lore. This crap right here is what Im talking about when I say They can be Written In. Which would mean SE/Yoshi and team have been taking steps that would include Male Viera in a natural World Building Lore Expanding way. Instead of "Hurr-durr put them in Just Because"

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[Rokke]

Its funny, your agreeing with me and you dont even know it.

My point is that lore is always being added onto as the story progresses. Saying "I would support them if lore was added" is redundant because this is a story based game where things happen because of the story. If we get the missing genders they will have, at minimum, a blurb on the creation/expansion page and the entirety of the game's remaining lifespan to elaborate on their lore. There is absolutely no reason to believe that the devs would plop them into the world willy nilly and never ever touch on it.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

My point is that lore is always being added onto as the story progresses. Saying "I would support them if lore was added" is redundant because this is a story based game where things happen because of the story. If we get the missing genders they will have, at minimum, a blurb on the creation/expansion page and the entirety of the game's remaining lifespan to elaborate on their lore. There is absolutely no reason to believe that the devs would plop them into the world willy nilly and never ever touch on it.

And yet, there are people here who think SE should just plop them in Willy Nilly because they dont think it matters. Just put them in the game.
Either way, you said something I was advocating for, Write them In. Not just Put them In

[wereotter]

Male Viera or Viera in General already existed before the Au-ra and the Hrothgar.
Nobody is saying (currently) that more lore is NEEDED. The conversation is: It would be Nice/I would personally LIKE if they expanded the lore on Viera to bring the Male Viera in.

The other races were written in to already exist in some way. It is not written for male viera to suddenly leave the forest to go adventuring.
It can, and it might happen. My whole argument is it would just be nice and might win more people over to support it IF they put in that kind of effort to write a Pre-existing race with its own lore into this MMO.

I would argue they don't need to say anything at all. They can allow players to be male viera and leave it at that without adding any male NPCs. They can leave the general lore established in tact within NPCs while allowing players to play the sex of the race. Look at it like this. There's no lore explaining why there are so many cat boy PCs. They simply don't put as many of them into the NPC areas.

I've mentioned this before, but there are only 3-4 male miquotes between both of their villages in the fringes and southern thanalan while there are over 40 females between them. They do the same thing with duskwight elezen. Lore says they live underground, only rarely coming up the the surface, so we almost never see them as NPCs while players are free to be that variant of the race.

I can only see them saying anything at all if we interact with viera settlements on the Source, which we have not yet done, and even then probably only in side quests. Though if I had to guess, it could be connected to the goings on at the Oborrne Monastery + Imperial Invasion that both encouraged them to look beyond their borders and forced them to move on from where they were.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I would argue they don't need to say anything at all. They can allow players to be male viera and leave it at that without adding any male NPCs. They can leave the general lore established in tact within NPCs while allowing players to play the sex of the race. Look at it like this. There's no lore explaining why there are so many cat boy PCs. They simply don't put as many of them into the NPC areas.

I've mentioned this before, but there are only 3-4 male miquotes between both of their villages in the fringes and southern thanalan while there are over 40 females between them. They do the same thing with duskwight elezen. Lore says they live underground, only rarely coming up the the surface, so we almost never see them as NPCs while players are free to be that variant of the race.

I can only see them saying anything at all if we interact with viera settlements on the Source, which we have not yet done, and even then probably only in side quests. Though if I had to guess, it could be connected to the goings on at the Oborrne Monastery + Imperial Invasion that both encouraged them to look beyond their borders and forced them to move on from where they were.

People love to bring in an XIV race when talking about an Ivalice Race. -sigh-
I wont disagree with the idea that the Player could be the ONE Male Viera under some random unexplained circumstance that went out adventuring and happens to be The Warrior of Light; Hydalyns chosen Champion. But this is an MMO so no doubt there will be a number of other MaleViera: which under the Players eye is just another Random Adventurer, running around. So to circumvent this, I think they should have a number, even a small number of Male Viera NPCs.
At least then we can at least World Build that the Viera Males in general have come out of Hidding and are joining their 'Sisters' in the outside World.
That to me would just make more sense and be better then Just slapping in the Viera Males.

[wereotter]

People love to bring in an XIV race when talking about an Ivalice Race. -sigh-
I wont disagree with the idea that the Player could be the ONE Male Viera under some random unexplained circumstance that went out adventuring and happens to be The Warrior of Light; Hydalyns chosen Champion. But this is an MMO so no doubt there will be a number of other MaleViera: which under the Players eye is just another Random Adventurer, running around. So to circumvent this, I think they should have a number, even a small number of Male Viera NPCs.
At least then we can at least World Build that the Viera Males in general have come out of Hidding and are joining their 'Sisters' in the outside World.
That to me would just make more sense and be better then Just slapping in the Viera Males.

I bring it up because the lore of the two races are extremely similar. Male miquotes are rare, and they don't often leave their settlements. One cat boy is mate to dozens of females. So to that end, if we're looking at "we need an explanation" then it's fair to say there should be an explanation as to the sudden explosion of male cats in the game, and why they're not doing their duty to oversee their tribes.

Also while the lore is similar, they've made it clear that the viera of FFXIV are not the same as those on Ivalice. Even physically, there are many differences. Skin colors, hair color, the shape of their hands and feet.... (I realize some of these things exist because players want customization options, and others because it made creating the race easier from a development standpoint, but it goes to say that these two races are different)

That said, I don't think the developers need to explain the choices of players in the lore. "Why do male roes often wear wedding dresses and flowery hats?" for example...

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

That said, I don't think the developers need to explain the choices of players in the lore. "Why do male roes often wear wedding dresses and flowery hats?" for example...

A players choice of Glamour plays no role in story telling.
Why Male Viera: which have never been seen by most, suddenly are leaving the forest and going against their Traditionasl Laws as Viera and losing the "Voice of the Woods" thus becoming outcasts by their kind and considered "No Longer Viera" Would play a role in story telling.

And, if it wasn't missed for the Umpteenth time...Ive said that its not a Requirement. Not like I have a say in the matter anyway, its up to SE/ Yoshi and team to decide IF and HOW they wanna implement Male Viera. Id just like there to be some Lore and Story behind it so that we can Expand on Viera lore. Making it more enticing for them to become part of the open world, instead of just Plopping them in Willy Nilly "Just Because"

I think it would win some people over that think Male Viera is stupid or think shouldn't exist.
Im part of Team No Viera, but Id personally LIKE it, if there is some effort put behind their involvement if an MMO is gonna be the First time we ever see a Canon Male Viera. If they get lazy with it and just slap them in Willy Nilly, well nothing I can do about it, but it would just make me feel very disappointed. And Id find it, and the team Lazy.

[wereotter]

Why Male Viera: which have never been seen by most, suddenly are leaving the forest and going against their Traditionasl Laws as Viera and losing the "Voice of the Woods" thus becoming outcasts by their kind and considered "No Longer Viera" Would play a role in story telling.

Well... to this end. Females who leave the wood are also no longer Viera. This is talked about a little in game, but more so in XII when Fran attempts to go through the Gelmora Jungle. There's that whole quest line where they bring up that because she left, she can no longer hear the green word and is no longer a viera. So to me, if the women can chose to leave the wood to explore the world, why can't the men? They would also just no longer be considered to be viera.