Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

That said, I don't think the developers need to explain the choices of players in the lore. "Why do male roes often wear wedding dresses and flowery hats?" for example...

A players choice of Glamour plays no role in story telling.
Why Male Viera: which have never been seen by most, suddenly are leaving the forest and going against their Traditionasl Laws as Viera and losing the "Voice of the Woods" thus becoming outcasts by their kind and considered "No Longer Viera" Would play a role in story telling.

And, if it wasn't missed for the Umpteenth time...Ive said that its not a Requirement. Not like I have a say in the matter anyway, its up to SE/ Yoshi and team to decide IF and HOW they wanna implement Male Viera. Id just like there to be some Lore and Story behind it so that we can Expand on Viera lore. Making it more enticing for them to become part of the open world, instead of just Plopping them in Willy Nilly "Just Because"

I think it would win some people over that think Male Viera is stupid or think shouldn't exist.
Im part of Team No Viera, but Id personally LIKE it, if there is some effort put behind their involvement if an MMO is gonna be the First time we ever see a Canon Male Viera. If they get lazy with it and just slap them in Willy Nilly, well nothing I can do about it, but it would just make me feel very disappointed. And Id find it, and the team Lazy.

[wereotter]

Why Male Viera: which have never been seen by most, suddenly are leaving the forest and going against their Traditionasl Laws as Viera and losing the "Voice of the Woods" thus becoming outcasts by their kind and considered "No Longer Viera" Would play a role in story telling.

Well... to this end. Females who leave the wood are also no longer Viera. This is talked about a little in game, but more so in XII when Fran attempts to go through the Gelmora Jungle. There's that whole quest line where they bring up that because she left, she can no longer hear the green word and is no longer a viera. So to me, if the women can chose to leave the wood to explore the world, why can't the men? They would also just no longer be considered to be viera.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Well... to this end. Females who leave the wood are also no longer Viera. This is talked about a little in game, but more so in XII when Fran attempts to go through the Gelmora Jungle. There's that whole quest line where they bring up that because she left, she can no longer hear the green word and is no longer a viera. So to me, if the women can chose to leave the wood to explore the world, why can't the men? They would also just no longer be considered to be viera.

The Males dont get along with others, so why would they leave the forest to be around people they dont get along with?
Just because the Females do it, therefore the males will?

[WhiteArchmage]

The Males dont get along with others, so why would they leave the forest to be around people they dont get along with?
Just because the Females do it, therefore the males will?

If Males truly didn't "get along with others" to that extent there would be no more Viera, male or female, period. I hate the sweeping generalization that all the Males turn of age and suddenly they're feral isolationist beasts. Even the Wandering Dramaturge shoots down that idea when he mentions asking a Viera how the distance affects them. She replies that one need not be physically close to be connected. If anything, it makes it sound that they are WAY more caring than we give them credit for, and that the Males' indoctrination and territoriality is little more than tradition.

And who is the ultimate breaker of tradition? Why, the WoL. (And other adventurers may or may not even exist in canon. The English localization mentions them tongue-in-cheek a few times, but the game doesn't make a "lore-ceck" when making a party to put a soft lock on races, or worse, jobs, otherwise one shouldn't be able to run double-WHM, or double-SCH, or double-DRK, or double-BLM).

Again, the WoL is the Ultimate exception to Lore restrictions. Yes, there most likely be a lore excuse when the Viera are released, but it does not mean that every Male Viera has been magically brainwashed by the Woods to stay there until death.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

If Males truly didn't "get along with others" to that extent there would be no more Viera, male or female, period. I hate the sweeping generalization that all the Males turn of age and suddenly they're feral isolationist beasts.

I mean.....DO they? Not like we have enough information that doesn't suggest they aren't.
And, just because they dont get along with others, doesn't at all mean they can't get along with eachother. They live separate from the females, only being in eachothers company when necessary.

You know what would be a great idea?" Just Expand the Viera Lore. Write in how they joined the outside world and literally just put them out there. Even in small numbers because maybe most of them wanna keep to tradition. This way when we do see other Male Viera Running around as adventures, it doesn't break lore, because the lore has been expanded so that In-Canon they are no longer completely in hiding. So in the Players eyes: that random Male Viera running around in a Pink Dress with a Battle-axe, or one in golden armor with a Staff, is another adventurer. And we wont sit here and be all "This makes no sense, we shouldn't see this many Male Viera because LORE. Why? Because the lore has been Updated and Expanded to Include Male Viera in the outside world away from the Forest.
Ive already suggested this a few times, can we just get on board with this already? It makes more sense then the "WoL is the one exception" argument, and then we just ignore and pretend there aren't other Male Viera running around. lol

Magically Brainwashed? Is that what you call Tradition and those who are Devout enough to Follow it to death?

[WhiteArchmage]

I think you didn't fully read my post because we're in agreement about some things and you completely overlooked others. I SAID Viera lore will undoubtedly get some excuse as to why suddenly there's males around, even if it's one odd NPC in an out-of-the-way sidequest. My point is that one need not jump through mental hoops to think the Male Moonkeeper in the 2B outfit and bunny crown you randomly met during the 20th time you're defending Ishgard from Vishap shouldn't exist because they have the same Lore as Male Viera. (Birthrate of 1-in-10, spends most of his life in isolation in the woods, rarely so much as glimpsed by other races. Am I talking Moonkepers or Viera?)

As for what I specifically said in my previous post:

Magically Brainwashed? Is that what you call Tradition and those who are Devout enough to Follow it to death?

If anything, it makes it sound that they are WAY more caring than we give them credit for, and that the Males' indoctrination and territoriality is little more than tradition.

And who is the ultimate breaker of tradition? Why, the WoL.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I think you didn't fully read my post because we're in agreement about some things and you completely overlooked others. I SAID Viera lore will undoubtedly get some excuse as to why suddenly there's males around, even if it's one odd NPC in an out-of-the-way sidequest. My point is that one need not jump through mental hoops to think the Male Moonkeeper in the 2B outfit and bunny crown you randomly met during the 20th time you're defending Ishgard from Vishap shouldn't exist because they have the same Lore as Male Viera. (Birthrate of 1-in-10, spends most of his life in isolation in the woods, rarely so much as glimpsed by other races. Am I talking Moonkepers or Viera?)

As for what I specifically said in my previous post:

I read your post just fine. As seen by my quote, I Cherry-picked.
And, Im not understanding your point here. What does a Miqote Moonkeeper in a weird outfit have to do with Male Viera coming out of hiding? This Mental Hoop doesn't have to exist with Male Viera if the lore is just expanded and updated, so Im not quite getting your tidbit here.

So now your saying Viera Tradition is Magical Brainwashing? And only the Warrior of Light can break this spell?
What about every other Male Viera running around? Are they secretly the One Warrior of Light thats breaking Tradition and arn't just random adventurers as the game suggests from the Players point of View?