Quote Originally Posted by Fhaerron View Post
I also don't really understand this "EX is for hardcore raiders only".
If anything EX has been getting easier and easier every expansion.

My static sadly only really is interested in Savage and thus we don't do EX but I got my first kill in just 3 hours with random PF pug. That was with several death and we never saw enrage.

I think most people don't even try it and just QQ about it because it has an EX tag.
It's not because it's extreme content, its because of certain other players, as horrible and selfish as that sounds.

I've learned over the course of my year with FF14 that other players are both the worst and best parts of this game, without other players, we wouldnt be able to do something as simple as level up, don't forget the types of players that play their job well, explain certain mechanics to new players in a cohesive manner without much confusion. On the other side of the spectrum though there are people who don't explain things at all no matter what, don't rez you in a ARR alliance raid "cuz muh quick clear", stand at the first barred door in the Praetorium cause their too lazy to get a suit of magitek armour and would rather slow things down thanks to one less suit, use the elevator in the same dungeon because they're to bloody selfish to wait, and do a poor job with their well, job, and it's not always because they're bad either, what if they've had a long day at work and aren't feeling it?

And that's where I come into the types of people I've met when I've attempted EX, I've seen people do the following in both practice and clear parties:

1. Leave after 2 wipes instead of trying to discus with the team what went wrong and how to remedy it
2. Barking orders on whats supposed to be done without discussing alternative strategies with the party
3. Explaining things in a way that they assume we already know a good chunk of the fight instead of starting from the beginning when we're here to practice (This ones a hit or miss because at least they're trying to help, but remember that just trying doesn't kill the boss)
4. Insult/demean players if they mess up instead of discussing what when wrong and how to remedy it (I've encountered this and been on the receiving end so that's fun)

I've delt with at least one of those 4 mentioned things in quite a few PF EX's, I just wish I had screencaps.

And I know that your thinking I'm being a wuss, but it's the human factor that ruins EX for me, if this EX trial was single player or if everyone in the party was willing to have a rational discussion without leaving or barking orders, I'd be going at it for hours on end until I figure it out, I enjoy difficultly in games, but not artificial difficulty created by nasty and awful players.