Quote Originally Posted by Silverquick View Post
No that's not true.

As was demonstrated it is middle of the pack or sometimes even lower in other content types like dungeons and alliance raids.
You are attempting to justify making it middle of the pack or lower in Savage content... which in turn will make it bottom of the pile in all other content, even lower than Red Mage.
Who would want to play a job that is middle of the pack in Savage and bottom of the pile in all other content. That is not "balance' its the opposite.

There is no justification for that.

Worse some people here seem to think Summoner and Red Mage are equal in their support abilities when that is provably false.

Red Mage Heals are about 10,000 healing and dual casted for 20,000... Summoner Heals are a whopping 800.
Summoner has ONE Ressurection that can be quickcasted... after that its 8 second casting time.
Red Mage has no such limitations, it's Verraise is dual casted. So no matter how many raises you do with RDM it never has a casting time, and can be combined with attacks for instant raises at any time (Jolt + Verraise for example).

They have overestimated SMN capabilities... and far underestimated RDM capabilities.

If SMN DPS drops below or equal to RDM DPS what do you think is going to happen? Yeah it makes the Summoner job pointless.
Dude. Just stop. Dungeons and Alliance raids don't matter. A 2-3% nerf puts SMN's damage on par/slightly better than Monk. It would still remain ahead of Red Mage. That is completely fair when both jobs have somewhat limited raid buffs, and utilities. It also doesn't make it suddenly worse than Red Mage in anything not Savage. Stop being weird.

SMN DPS would still remain ahead of RDM. As far as the heals go. Verraise and vercure both have significant MP and damage costs to them. SMNs heals are a free bonus. Any "mechanical costs" associated with it already being taken into account in the numbers we're seeing SMN put out.

Who would want to play a job that is middle of the pack in Savage and bottom of the pile in all other content.
You're talking to someone who mained MNK all throughout HW. When it was a meme. It might surprise you but some people play jobs for their play style over their DPS numbers. Losing 2-3% won't suddenly kill off SMN.