Mogstation taking another step to the darkside

[NanaWiloh]

They put more mounts and glams in game over the course of and expansion then what they add too the mogstation. Only time anyone gripes about this stuff being added is when they want it but are not willing to spend the money on it.

[Arngrim_Greyashe]

It might be better to be overly critical to prevent SE from considering taking further steps in expanding Cash Shop practices. Give an inch of tolerance and they usually will take a mile. Perhaps not at once, but little by little. Even if it's all useless criticism and they never were going to expand anyway, it's a worthy security measure to let developpers know where you stand.

Unless you actually like the existence of Cash Shop and want to expand it, shilling for SE just because you're a fanboy is silly and not in your best interest I'd say.

It seems to me that you're just echoing what you're reading from others without paying any actual attention to what I typed. Also this "give them an inch" saying is complete nonsense. You seem to forget that this is their game. Not ours. If they wanted to expand the cash shop, no amount of complaining on the forums will stop them. They would have already done it. We'd be sitting with BDO's predatory cash shop in XIV with it being a major part of the games focus.

I swear you all think this is the end of days every time they put a mount on mog station. If you want it, buy it. If you don't, don't buy it. It's simplistic. Not everything in life is free and your subscription doesn't entitle you to anything. It gets you an access pass to the game. Nothing else. This whole thread is completely unaware how a business runs, apparently. Businesses need money. They're getting money through subscriptions. They also added an extra OPTIONAL avenue to gain revenue. People that have extra money to spend can go there to buy optional things that get their attention if they so choose. It's not predatorial. It's not scummy. It's not shady. It's business. And a rather peaceful one in my opinion.

Also, calling me a fanboy for understanding how a business works and saying that I'm shilling for SE is a pathetic attempt to try to cover the fact that you have no real argument. Get out of here with that nonsense.

[SamRF]

It seems to me that you're just echoing what you're reading from others without paying any actual attention to what I typed. Also this "give them an inch" saying is complete nonsense. You seem to forget that this is their game. Not ours. If they wanted to expand the cash shop, no amount of complaining on the forums will stop them. They would have already done it. We'd be sitting with BDO's predatory cash shop in XIV with it being a major part of the games focus.

I swear you all think this is the end of days every time they put a mount on mog station. If you want it, buy it. If you don't, don't buy it. It's simplistic. Not everything in life is free and your subscription doesn't entitle you to anything. It gets you an access pass to the game. Nothing else. This whole thread is completely unaware how a business runs, apparently. Businesses need money. They're getting money through subscriptions. They also added an extra OPTIONAL avenue to gain revenue. People that have extra money to spend can go there to buy optional things that get their attention if they so choose. It's not predatorial. It's not scummy. It's not shady. It's business. And a rather peaceful one in my opinion.

Also, calling me a fanboy for understanding how a business works and saying that I'm shilling for SE is a pathetic attempt to try to cover the fact that you have no real argument. Get out of here with that nonsense.

By your logic of how a business works, there's no reason why this game wouldn't be BDO + subscription right now with obvious p2w mechanics. The reason that isn't the case is because there will be a massive exodus of players when SE would implement something like this, so it would be a bad business decision to do that. You could use the same reasoning with deciding between having a Cash Shop or not. A game may consider charging higher subscription (e.g. 20$/month) with the promise of never implementing a Cash Shop and may attract more players that way, since there are players who want to have such principle in their game. It's all about supply and demand.

If SE lets Cash Shop go out of hand, it will also perhaps lead to a player exodus and less players joining the game and thus it would have been a bad business decision if money lost by player decline is greater than the extra profit from Cash Shop. You can see what me and others are trying to do by being overly critical is warn SE that we will be dissatisfied and will leave the game if this does go out of hand. SE will thus perhaps be more inclined to be careful and not walk that fine line between players leaving and Cash Shop profit.

I'm sure forum complaints will indeed have minimal impact though so you may have a point with that. All else you said are cheap bashing arguments that sound eloquent but are empty of merit. I'm sure you're well aware that nobody cares about this game enough to feel entitled on actually deciding its direction. We're simply giving feedback (and our reasoning behind it).

[ElciaDeiLinus]

Players in general aren't that principled, if anything player behaviour has shown quite the opposite that there's almost none. Basically every major planned boycott by players due to company decisions gets ridiculed when the most fervent players ends up being the first to break from their supposed values.

If SE's sub went up to get rid of the cash shop you'd see far more people leave over the extra money, even if it's inconsequential- because regardless of what people signal regarding their feelings on MTs (and right now it's generally considered hip and progressive to hate it when companies make money of any kind), at the end of the day everyone's out for themselves and other people buying cash shop items to keep their own sub lower is always preferable.

It's a different story when the RNG elements of loot crates or the p2w aspects of the cash shop actually start to affect your in game content, but in this case that's not happening to anyone other than the few who both greatly want the new mount, and also greatly despise MTs.

[SamRF]

Players in general aren't that principled, if anything player behaviour has shown quite the opposite that there's almost none. Basically every major planned boycott by players due to company decisions gets ridiculed when the most fervent players ends up being the first to break from their supposed values.

If SE's sub went up to get rid of the cash shop you'd see far more people leave over the extra money, even if it's inconsequential- because regardless of what people signal regarding their feelings on MTs (and right now it's generally considered hip and progressive to hate it when companies make money of any kind), at the end of the day everyone's out for themselves and other people buying cash shop items to keep their own sub lower is always preferable.

It's a different story when the RNG elements of loot crates or the p2w aspects of the cash shop actually start to affect your in game content, but in this case that's not happening to anyone other than the few who both greatly want the new mount, and also greatly despise MTs.

I overall agree with what you're saying here.

I've mentioned in earlier post that players likely aren't ready to pay for higher sub despite inflation, which leads me to believe Cash Shop practices will only get more significan in the future. It's this standard of 15$/month since forever that I don't think any MMO would dare to question any time soon. WoW might have had the opportunity to set a new standard but they seem to have gone the Cash Shop route.

Personally I'd gladly pay more for sub if it meant no Cash Shop at all. It's out of principle and desire for greater sense of immersion in the game and also prevent potential slippery slope (I realize slippery slope might be fallacy, but it would still put my mind more at ease knowing it's out of the question).

However it's pretty likely I'm in minority with this opinion (for now at least) and there is no solid niche game at the moment that would satisfy this principle. Thus you make a good point imo.

[linay]

2019 All Saints' Wake - Circus Ahriman
2018 Valentione's Day - Broken Heart (Left and Right)
2017 Starlight Celebration - Starlight Bear
2017 Hatching-tide - Eggshilaration System
2015 All Saints' Wake - Witch's Broom

2016 also had Yokai (two mounts), 2017 had three GARO ponies and 2019 had Regalia in their respective events. I don't count Rathalos because it's a permanent event.

I don't count Yokai or Garo or Rathalos as they're collaboration.

There are also the white and red magitek mounts. Are those not part of an event?

Regardless, so seasonal event mounts are actually in the minority. Most mounts are exclusive store mounts and they're account-wide. Maybe we will get a seasonal event mount later this year, but it's not this latest one as it's an exclusive store mount.

[BunnyChain]

I was about to say this. A Spriggan is as much a seasonal mount as the Indigo Whale. Unless they specifically made it to be a part of an event, like the Witch's Broom or the Christmas bear, it's not a seasonal item.

iT hAs nOtHing tO do WiTh tHe eVenT

You guys need to cut SE some slack, small indie dev company is bleeding for some cash is all.

[linay]

Whenever you download a patch to this game, all of the patched-in files and assets are downloaded, including the Mog Station ones.

So, it would be more accurate to compare it to a dollhouse where I possess the accessories and all that after the initial purchase, but I can't actually remove them from their packaging until I pay extra money.

And for the record, I do pull the functional incomplete vs complete argument with stuff like that. It's the same reason why, when I was a little kid, other kids would buy Pokemon card packs and I would instead work to collect the video games in the series.

I don't want a segmented product if I can help it. Being my personal preference, this isn't open for negotiation.

You like cash shops? Great! We're allowed to disagree. That's a basic right. Just don't mock others for that stuff. (And before you say anything, I, the OP, etc were mocked first.)

You have a basic right to think what you want, but that's not an issue. And your preference was never the subject of negotiation. However, you have to live with your preference. If you don't like store items, then no one is forcing you to buy the item. Other people do and to expect SE to still provide these additional items at no extra cost is not realistic. Even the idea of increasing base prices doesn't make sense since not everyone wants everything in the store and there is no guarantee of any item being made.

In the end, people can literally vote with their wallet. If not enough people buy items from the Mog Station, then SE won't put more items in the Mog Station.

[Kuroka]

iT hAs nOtHing tO do WiTh tHe eVenT

You guys need to cut SE some slack, small indie dev company is bleeding for some cash is all.

I dont get what you want, its oblivious the spriggan has nothing to do with the Event... xD

Its also we havent gotten a GS mount since... the GS cactuar? That spriggan on easter would have benn perfect. Add a golden/white, what ever version to the mogstation for those who need it >_>

[linay]

The amount of people shilling for SE here is worrying, not gonna lie. How about we increase the monthly subscription, make every future mount a Mog Station only item and all dyes are single use and can only be purchased for real money. I'm sure even then people would defend the game. Give them and inch and such. Some people have no common sense. /sigh

Just because people won't accept a more extreme action/behavior doesn't mean they can't accept a more reasonable action/behavior. Don't try to create a strawman argument.

For me it's double dipping. Plain and simple.

You're free not to let them have their "second dip" from your wallet if that's what you think.

It might be better to be overly critical to prevent SE from considering taking further steps in expanding Cash Shop practices. Give an inch of tolerance and they usually will take a mile. Perhaps not at once, but little by little. Even if it's all useless criticism and they never were going to expand anyway, it's a worthy security measure to let developpers know where you stand.

Unless you actually like the existence of Cash Shop and want to expand it, shilling for SE just because you're a fanboy is silly and not in your best interest I'd say.

People have different opinions and the word "shilling" means nothing if you just apply it to anyone defending a company's action.

As for being overly critical, I don't see how it's a security measure at all when there are people actually purchasing items from the Mog Station, thus validating SE's decision to have it via actions. All the complaints do is put a voice to something that's already apparent: that not everyone wants to purchase items from the Mog Station.

In fact, being overly critical makes it meaningless when there are other things that you may want to criticize that perhaps are more important to criticize as people will already know that you have a habit of being overly critical.