Mogstation taking another step to the darkside

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

It's a forum created for giving feedback. Why do I have to explain myself to you again? lol I'm not buying it. Mainly out of principle. I'm in the fortunate position to be able to buy the whole cash shop twice over if I wanted to but history has shown us time and again where that thinking leads us. Nowadays publishers expect us to pre order after we've seen a logo or a pre rendered trailer only to give us a broken product (FO76, just to name the worst).

And may I remind you that SE actually did that with 1.0? lol I'm as grateful for YoshiP as the next player but that doesn't excuse everything.


Just because XIV isn't there yet in terms of greed doesn't mean I should applaud them for only screwing me over a little bit.

Anyway, actions speak louder than words, true, so I'll put my money where my mouth is, still not buy it and retire from this thread.

Have a good one, peeps.

Forums are created to do a number of things: Feedback is just one of many things. And if you have an opinion about 1 thing, there will always be at least one person on the Opposite end of your Opinion. Life works that way, people are individuals. And its weird that people like to act as if nobody should ever question or Challenge their Opinions and views, while expecting everyone to listen to and accept theirs.
Whats with the Flex by the way?

XIV did not screw you in ANY way, Im sorry but this is a childish thing to say over a Mount being put into a Premium Store.
Just, don't buy the mount if this "Principle" thats being flung around is so important. And I do hope you follow-through and are consistent about that.
Unlike the many people who threatened to leave over other issues and are still here as active players.

[SinisterJoints]

It's a forum created for giving feedback. Why do I have to explain myself to you again? lol I'm not buying it. Mainly out of principle. I'm in the fortunate position to be able to buy the whole cash shop twice over if I wanted to but history has shown us time and again where that thinking leads us. Nowadays publishers expect us to pre order after we've seen a logo or a pre rendered trailer only to give us a broken product (FO76, just to name the worst).

And may I remind you that SE actually did that with 1.0? lol I'm as grateful for YoshiP as the next player but that doesn't excuse everything.

May you remind me what?

Did you play 1.0? The game wasn't broken, it was actually fun and challenging!! Can you believe that!! They also had a ton of gameplay footage etc. before launch Also, reading you say "se screwed you" because of this tells me all I need to know!

[Boa-Noah]

Did you play 1.0? The game wasn't broken, it was actually fun and challenging!!

Is that why 1.0 failed so badly it had to be essentially scrapped and entirely redone for 2.0? Because, maybe this is just me, I hear nothing but bad things about 1.0 and how it was a tedious grindy slog with broken mechanics and horrifically unfun gameplay.

[Ranaku]

Actually it's great that we have a way to spend a bit more money on a game we love while getting something back for it. Other games sell you lootboxes, here you get what you pay for and want.

Honestly i think SE treats us consumers really fair compared to other MMOs, in BDO you pay 50 bucks for a glam, in WOW you pay also a fortune for stuff like namechange, lvl boost and so on. For me XIV never felt like a cashcow, all the stuff from the shop is optional and not a gamechanging thing.

So yeah, a company strangely wants to make money and sorry to tell you fellas but your sub doesn't pay for the world, sadly. If SE starts to sell us lootboxes and glams for 50+ bucks i can start to understand such complains.

[reivaxe]

I'll say that I've never been a fan of cash shops in P2P MMOs.

That said SE has done the BEST job of leveraging it's cash shop model for a P2P game out of any MMO.
SE "going to the darkside" of Cash Shops would be them having the highest ilvl raid gear be on the cash shop first and saying "suure, you don't HAVE to have this gear to do savage ... you can tots do it in crafted gear right? So no harm , this is just for people who reeealy want to push their DPS and get faster clears". Like that's the darkside of cash shops, slipping a foot into "pay for convenience".

This isn't that. Patch after patch they give us tons of great mounts, glam and gear designs that we can earn or craft or buy in game.
This isn't a "Hatching tide" mount, it's a HQ AF Spriggan mount that has nothing to do with the event (Show me the egg theme. When it's in flight does it surround it's self with Crystals/ rocks or eggs? It's just a spriggan) but uses the timing of the event as good cross promotion.

[MasuraoTsukino]

Just to be clear here of the things added to the cash shop last time:


Mount: Spriggan Stonecarrier (Account-wide) USD 24.00 - Not previously accessible ($24 for an account wide mount from Japan/Korea/China is the standard)
Spriggan Attire USD 5.00 - From the Easter event last year (This really isn't a surprise they always put old seasonal items on the cash shop ~1 year after the event)
Authentic Archon Egg Pile USD 5.00 - Housing item from the Easter event last year (See the spriggan attire)
Emote: Heel Toe USD 7.00 - From the Korean Developers (They had to pay money for this too, so it's not like they got it for free and we have to pay)
Emote: Goobbue Do USD 7.00 - Same as Heel Toe.

Korean and Chinese developed mounts minion, glamours are never made accessible in the game for free, they all go through their cash shop.

I am not exactly sure where this idea that the Spriggan Mount was from last Easter came from.
Also it's not exactly like they are flooding us with rare and exclusive mounts from what I can see of the mounts on mogstation that aren't just recolors that come from the Japanese development team, and are unique to mogstation there are 5, the Spriggan, the 2 carbys, the flying moogle and Slepnir. If you wanna get technical I guess you could count the SDS Fenrir (which was given away with a FanFest Ticket). Which is not a lot. And those are 5 that came out over the course of the games life, 5 mounts in 7 years isn't really a slippery slope imo.

[dinnertime]

The cash shop I'd assume only has about less than %2 of the collectibles in the game, not to mention they are optional. Each patch already gives plenty of new collectibles already accessible in the game while the cash shop only gets updated a few months with one or two new things, or when they're re-releasing event items. It would be a different story if it were more frequent and the things they've sold were game-changing.

Other than some collectibles not being account-wide, they've never been predatory with what they've been selling on the cash shop. If you don't like it that's fine but at this point it's pretty ridiculous that people are still getting incredibly angry over the cash shop with how transparent it has been. The outrage was stupid back then, it still is now. They're actually setting a very good example on how micro-transactions in games should be like, especially in MMOs.

Running an MMO isn't cheap especially if it's something as big as FFXIV, so that extra profit helps. It's a business and you're more than welcome to support it or not.

[dinnertime]

Is that why 1.0 failed so badly it had to be essentially scrapped and entirely redone for 2.0? Because, maybe this is just me, I hear nothing but bad things about 1.0 and how it was a tedious grindy slog with broken mechanics and horrifically unfun gameplay.

It's true. The bad gameplay design was fixed later on in its life but it was too late because the damage was already done. The game engine itself and the horrible server issues were also holding the game back from being improved.

I don't know why that one person they replied to even mentioned 1.0 anyway. There was enough information about 1.0 before it launched, even alpha and beta testing. SE was also at the verge of bankruptcy after the whole issue, so it made more sense that they opened up a cash shop to cover those costs.

[MitsukiKimura]

So now seasonal mounts added to the cash-shop with no chance of getting it in game. This is turning into a wallet drain game. We already pay 15+ for sub, pay for additional retainers and expansions. Now we have to buy seasonal event mounts that is more expensive than the sub? WOW SE you are going too far. If you are going to say "You dont have to buy it" Dont bother...the point is after paying all this money to play the game now they are starting to gate seasonal items in the cashshop....Just wow.

You don't "have" to buy anything. There have been mounts in the mogstation that have been there for over 3+ years, this isn't something new. Trust me this is not even close to "Wallet draining" as other MMORPG's i've played. Honestly think this thread is just to create toxicity and forum likes. Yes I will say you don't have to buy it because reality is.. you don't.

[Lathander81]

You don't "have" to buy anything. There have been mounts in the mogstation that have been there for over 3+ years, this isn't something new. Trust me this is not even close to "Wallet draining" as other MMORPG's i've played. Honestly think this thread is just to create toxicity and forum likes. Yes I will say you don't have to buy it because reality is.. you don't.

If you look at my tag I have been play since 2015..I remember when there was only Odin mount in the Mogstation which was a little hard to swallow at the time. Im complaining about SE on their own. Just because other games are worst doesnt mean we cant point out when we think SE is going too far. However, out of the sub to play games this is def the more expensive. Subscriptions, expansions, and if you want extra space a "monthly" charge for that too.

If you think this is toxic then Im not sure what to tell you. I rarely post anything and I dont care about forum likes. I actually love the game I just hate that the Mogstation has to be this way. If you love something or someone you tell them how you feel. I know some people are lashing out because someone is attacking their favorite game but stop and consider that we love it too.