Mogstation taking another step to the darkside

[kaynide]

Imagine being part of a development team responsible for making DLC fluff like mounts and outfits. Now imagine knowing that whatever profits you receive from this fuels further DLC (and thus, your job).

Now imagine meeting with your coworkers and coming up with a cool idea that should sell pretty well because of timeliness of it! Hey, there's an event that features Spriggans! Surely a Spriggan mount will sell if we can have it ready in time to sell!

Now imagine upon releasing your hard work, with high hopes to be immediately shat upon by people who think it's not good enough to pay for...but so good they'll throw a fit about not being able to get it for free.

The DLC team makes DLC. I see what they did as good business decision. If you made a DLC mount with potential for a good sell, why wouldn't you sell it at the optimal time And why shouldn't they be trying to get as much cash back in for their work? They're not the main dev team.

[SuperZay]

^ It's not a free-to-play game. We are already paying for 'DLC stuff', it's part of subscription fees. Defending extra charges on top of this while we are getting less stuff like dungeons is a pure greed.

[Theodric]

It isn't exactly a case of pure greed when the costs for development have shot up over the years by vast amounts despite the subscription fee remaining the same throughout. Localisation and voice acting needs to be done in multiple different languages which is a staggering cost in itself.

That aside, there's a pretty large market in terms of players with a disposable income and a willingness to make use of it. Expecting a company not to embrace that is bizarre, especially when it helps to mitigate the overall burden of development costs.

[linay]

^ It's not a free-to-play game. We are already paying for 'DLC stuff', it's part of subscription fees. Defending extra charges on top of this while we are getting less stuff like dungeons is a pure greed.

Subscription fees are for server access. People who don't subscribe for an entire expansion don't get less content outside of timed events than those who do subscribe for the entire expansion.

A store mount also has nothing to do with what you get in an expansion. You don't have to get it during a particular expansion and you don't even have to purchase any expansion.

[Alleo]

So please lets dispense with the "SE can do Better and this is just greed!" angle and be real about this. The discussion isnt about what's good or bad or some moralistic view of what SE should be, its about is it a legit business transaction or a scummy fleecing campaign.

There are still companys out there that dont milk their customers for every bit of money AND we had the word of Yoshida about it being only for old event items and that they dont do that to earn money. So yes I am going to voice my opinion on this because they went against their own words and the prices are just horrible. Heck if we would get more content thanks to that then maybe I could accept it more but we dont. We get less stuff even with over a million of active subs.

I dont care how many other companys are also greedy like that..it does not make the actions of SE better.

Also alot of the lootboxes in other games are also just cosmetic. Why are they different? Yes they have a RNG factor to them but again they often just providing cosmetic items and seemingly doing that is fine here.
It is annoying to me because I like glamour, mounts and pets. Getting them is often the number one reason for me to do content and seeing how much they put behind a lot of stuff that might not be fun for the most of us they are also seeing it as a great carrot on the stick. So lets not pretend that the stuff that lands in the mogstation is not something people want. They know exactly what they are doing. The evens are also quite a hit or miss. Sometimes we get some nice clothes and sometimes we even get a mount but a lot of the event items are things for the houses (which a lot of people dont even have).

Sad times when someone not wanting to pay more in an already sub based game is seen as an unreasonable customer.

Heck they could have done the cash shop and the ingame stuff in great combination. Release event items for each event again (as they did in the past before cash shop was there) and put them also in the cash shop. Waiting one year to get your hands on them might be too much for some so those can buy them with real money. There both sides should be happy. Release tokens ingame that people can earn to buy mog station items from it. They are not too easy to get thus people will have to work hard towards them (thus playing the game more -> paying more sub money) or people can just buy them.

[Theodric]

I think it's rather unfair to expect Yoshi-P to be held accountable for every single statement that he has made over the years when FFXIV is an ongoing project that is constantly evolving and being updated.

If people feel so strongly about the issue and truly consider it to be a jarring, unforgivable act then they're free to vote with their wallet and take their leave of the game. That's exactly what I intend to do if the game ever crosses a line that I find to be unacceptable. I did as much with World of Warcraft when it moved in a direction I found to be uninteresting I stopped playing it despite years of investment.

[SuperZay]

It isn't exactly a case of pure greed when the costs for development have shot up over the years by vast amounts despite the subscription fee remaining the same throughout. Localisation and voice acting needs to be done in multiple different languages which is a staggering cost in itself.

And server costs are significally lower now than 15 years ago. A major portion of cutscenes are not voiced. Old models reused infinitely and the same monsters reskinned every expansion. We are getting less dungeons and so on while subscription base is at all time maximum. They do know how to save money and it shows.

[linay]

Also alot of the lootboxes in other games are also just cosmetic. Why are they different? Yes they have a RNG factor to them but again they often just providing cosmetic items and seemingly doing that is fine here.

The RNG factor makes a big difference. You could spend money and not get what you want. That is objectively worse regardless if it's just for cosmetics.

Sad times when someone not wanting to pay more in an already sub based game is seen as an unreasonable customer.

That doesn't make you an unreasonable customer. What makes you an unreasonable customer is demanding that SE go against what the market tells them would be profitable when it doesn't impact the game.

Heck they could have done the cash shop and the ingame stuff in great combination. Release event items for each event again (as they did in the past before cash shop was there) and put them also in the cash shop. Waiting one year to get your hands on them might be too much for some so those can buy them with real money. There both sides should be happy. Release tokens ingame that people can earn to buy mog station items from it. They are not too easy to get thus people will have to work hard towards them (thus playing the game more -> paying more sub money) or people can just buy them.

Now that would be greedy. If they're releasing the item again in game then they shouldn't be offering it for money and should encourage people to do the content in game to get it. Also, that would mean that the Mog Station would have a bigger impact on the game, and I'd rather not have that.

[DumdogsWorld]

So to sit here and get upset about a Premium Mount not being free for the event: that it isn't even themed around, does look and sound abit Entitled and Ungrateful.

Sometimes I wonder whether or not I'm the only person who joins these threads because of principles, rather than being upset or something. I don't even collect mounts.

I love FFXIV, dislike cash shops, and, like some of the others in this thread, admitted that it would be nice and dandy (to us) if FFXIV didn't have a cash shop. Does that make me upset? No. But it does mean that I won't consider FFXIV the perfect game and that I will criticize it where I feel criticism is due. Calmy, I might add.

Now then...What Old Super Nintendo Game is a subscription Based MMO that is updated over the years with Brand New content on a Quarterly(?) basis, that gives you literally everything for free by just playing the game? You are aware of how much your given in this game through patches and updates right?

We're not given anything. We're buying it.

And What Partial Package are you talking about?

As in, a package that is partial, or incomplete.

A functional incomplete package is not the same as a complete package. All it takes for a package to be incomplete is a single locked item that cannot be aquired through in-game means.

[linay]

As in, a package that is partial, or incomplete.

A functional incomplete package is not the same as a complete package. All it takes for a package to be incomplete is a single locked item that cannot be aquired through in-game means.

While I'm glad you've attempted to make the distinction, I still think it fails to be an accurate description.

Let's say you get a package of a dollhouse. You opened the package, verified all the parts are there, and then built it. Then the store that sold you the dollhouse offered you accessories that you can buy and add to your dollhouse. Are you going to try to make the distinction between a completed package and a functionally completed package and complain that the store is charging more to make your dollhouse complete because now it's incomplete even though it's functionally complete (and actually complete) before they try to sell you more accessories?