There needs to be a way to remove dungeons from roulette?

[MelodyCrystel]

Upcoming, as in, not now?

I don't know what this second point is about.

A) If you haven't cleared the Ivalice-raids,you have no access to the new relics.
B) Orbonne got, as I mentioned in my former comment, permanent Echo to make up for the 'difficulty'. And Technole has given you that point to explain why the instance is running smoother in the last weeks.

[SturmChurro]

To be precise, all roulettes can be fun if one is lucky enough to end up with nice people in a random instance. The alliance thing itself just suffers a lot under being way too often the LV50 content - and the fact, that many players have zero idea how mechanics in any 24-people-instance work, doesn't help for the later raids.

Speeeaaaking about it:
Orbonne used to be my absolute favorite alliance-instance in 4.5 - especially when everybody got the hang of it. The runs were smooth and nobody rage-quitted.
But guess what happened when 5.0 came in. Suddenly, there were waves of people who had never done the Ivalice-raids before - because they were either returners who hadn't played for a long time or were entirely new players. And said people are the reason why clearing Orbonne turned out to be almost impossible (usual place to give up: Cidolfus) before SE permanently activated Echo for the instance.
That being said, I can still enjoy an Orbonne-run (even after said disaster in last summer) -- when people prove to me, that they either know the raid or are at least capable of understanding mechanics, that is.

Honestly, I don't really understand why Cinderella was so hard for groups. He literally telegraphs all his moves.

A) If you haven't cleared the Ivalice-raids,you have no access to the new relics.
B) Orbonne got, as I mentioned in my former comment, permanent Echo to make up for the 'difficulty'. And Technole has given you that point to explain why the instance is running smoother in the last weeks.

Upcoming, as in, not now? I am talking about the point in wanting to do it in the roulette right now. Better off taking the 30 minute penalty - much better use of time.

I wouldn't know. I haven't done Orbonne since. I can't remember.

[MelodyCrystel]

Upcoming, as in, now now? I am talking about the point in wanting to do it in the roulette right now. Better off taking the 30 minute penalty - much better use of time.

I wouldn't know. I haven't done Orbonne since. I can't remember.

:facepalm: EDIT: I still think eating the penalty isn't immediately necessary. See the first boss a ka how the alliance performs and then consider leaving--- before that point, it isn't fair to instantly abandon the groups.

When entering Orbonne, the Echo-icon is on even before players are allowed to move around. So, when the roulette throws Ivalice-part-3 at a player, it should be the first thing to notice for everyone who did the instance 'the old way'.

[SturmChurro]

:facepalm: In case it's a regular requirement, you just need to have cleared the Ivalice-raids - no matter if that was yesterday or when they were new. (And IF the devs expect a fresh clear, then that'll be when the relic-patch is out, but I personally don't see that being a thing.)

EDIT: I still think eating the penalty isn't immediately necessary. See the first boss a ka how the alliance performs and then consider leaving--- before that point, it isn't fair to instantly abandon the groups.

So, for anyone who isn't queuing directly for Orbonne, or the other Ivalice raids to specifically complete them for the first time, doing it again through the roulette is a pointless waste of time? Agreed.

I'd rather get into LoTA, get outta there in 15 minutes, than spend 45 minutes in some trash tier raid for the same reward. That's just me though, and I'm a realist.