SCH needs help

[Whichi]

theres some really great points here OP. Don't listen to anyone telling you SCH isnt lacking statistics and data atm PROVE that scholar is by far the worst healer. World first shiva extreme even went ahead to skip SCH and used ASTRO / WHM in their group comp. The facts are that SCH has to give away 150 potency for every heal that isnt recitation and whm / astro do not WHM loses 300 for each set of lilys they use but in some fights that can even be a gain if theres multiple targets OR downtime. On top of glare / dia being insane. ASTRO doesnt lose ANYTHING to weave healing. SCH's tank healing is abysmal now and their mitigation is SUBPAR compared to astro.

[KDSilver]

theres some really great points here OP. Don't listen to anyone telling you SCH isnt lacking statistics and data atm PROVE that scholar is by far the worst healer. World first shiva extreme even went ahead to skip SCH and used ASTRO / WHM in their group comp. The facts are that SCH has to give away 150 potency for every heal that isnt recitation and whm / astro do not WHM loses 300 for each set of lilys they use but in some fights that can even be a gain if theres multiple targets OR downtime. On top of glare / dia being insane. ASTRO doesnt lose ANYTHING to weave healing. SCH's tank healing is abysmal now and their mitigation is SUBPAR compared to astro.

So...

- What are your data exactly ? I'm curious
- What you're saying is that Scholar has to trade its DPS for healing. How does that make his healing toolkit less valuable ? He always had to trade Energy Drain for a healing ability, that's not new.

If Scholar seems to slowly fall behind, that's not because of its healing toolkit, but its pDPS and rDPS. And Energy drain will not close the gap.
Ast rDPS depending on party can be close to WHM's one or even superior. Their rDPS combined seems sto have more potential than paired with a SCH.

I'm waiting for these data.

[Whichi]

So...

- What are your data exactly ? I'm curious
- What you're saying is that Scholar has to trade its DPS for healing. How does that make his healing toolkit less valuable ? He always had to trade Energy Drain for a healing ability, that's not new.

If Scholar seems to slowly fall behind, that's not because of its healing toolkit, but its pDPS and rDPS. And Energy drain will not close the gap.
Ast rDPS depending on party can be close to WHM's one or even superior. Their rDPS combined seems sto have more potential than paired with a SCH.

I'm waiting for these data.

https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statisti...gregate=amount

he healing in the ultimate fight sch is outclassed by BOTH other healers btw they're also outclassed in damage in the highest scenarios (except aoe they outdo astro on aoe damage) already so chadding as sch is not good healing alot is also not good. (as if they can heal alot anyway lol)

The ultimate fight is MORE than good enough for Data regarding the healers and sch is under performing hard.

[YusiKha]

https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statisti...gregate=amount

he healing in the ultimate fight sch is outclassed by BOTH other healers btw they're also outclassed in damage in the highest scenarios (except aoe they outdo astro on aoe damage) already so chadding as sch is not good healing alot is also not good. (as if they can heal alot anyway lol)

The ultimate fight is MORE than good enough for Data regarding the healers and sch is under performing hard.

Ey that's pretty cool my dude. Would be a shame if HPS actually meant anything though.
Healer Combined Damage is a much better metric, as it shows the WHM/AST being forced to GCD heal to make up for SCH's weakness.

Let's take a look.

Oh dear! You've fallen for one of the classic blunders! The worst comp is the one without a scholar!

I can already hear you typing 'but SCH dps makes up for the lost pot'

Oh no what's this? SCH actually performs worst of the 3 healers in terms of rDPS output?

[Volkaj]

Let's take a look.

Oh dear! You've fallen for one of the classic blunders! The worst comp is the one without a scholar!
Oh no what's this? SCH actually performs worst of the 3 healers in terms of rDPS output?

I personally don't care too much about numbers as long as the jobs are fun to play, but I have to point out here that that AST + WHM comp spread is really narrow. This is probably due to lower sample size, which makes the data less useful.

Another thing to point out about that graph is that it shows that the average AST + WHM comp is the best (assuming we can trust the small sample size), and that WHM + SCH beats AST + SCH.

[Synaesthesia]

https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statisti...gregate=amount

he healing in the ultimate fight sch is outclassed by BOTH other healers btw they're also outclassed in damage in the highest scenarios (except aoe they outdo astro on aoe damage) already so chadding as sch is not good healing alot is also not good. (as if they can heal alot anyway lol)

The ultimate fight is MORE than good enough for Data regarding the healers and sch is under performing hard.

Scholar is played 3x more than Astrologian in the data you're using and 1.5x as much as white mage? It's almost taken as much as the other two combined, meaning that a Scholar was present in almost every one of these reports.

I don't really understand how this is underperforming, personally.

[technole]

theres some really great points here OP. Don't listen to anyone telling you SCH isnt lacking statistics and data atm PROVE that scholar is by far the worst healer. World first shiva extreme even went ahead to skip SCH and used ASTRO / WHM in their group comp. The facts are that SCH has to give away 150 potency for every heal that isnt recitation and whm / astro do not WHM loses 300 for each set of lilys they use but in some fights that can even be a gain if theres multiple targets OR downtime. On top of glare / dia being insane. ASTRO doesnt lose ANYTHING to weave healing. SCH's tank healing is abysmal now and their mitigation is SUBPAR compared to astro.

You're being overly dramatic.

WHM/SCH was world second, and that group, TPS on Gilgamesh was within 1% of the world first clear. So to make an argument like that is rather worthless.

You might as well not heal at all if you want to keep throwing potency loss on every scholar heal, the fact remains Soil is the best healing oGCD in the game with its potency. Scholar does excel on healing the beginning of any fight with full fairy resources compared to WHM with no lilies grown yet.