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    SCH needs help

    Right now, SCH feels really disjoined in its entire kit, with parts of its kit fighting against each other. On top of that, SCH's healing potential is really bad right now.

    So proposed fixes:

    Removing the cooldown on Indomitability. If this is (one of) SCH's main form of AoE healing, then let SCH access it more often. While Succor does exist, it's really expensive, and a SCH shouldn't be spamming it at all. While removing the cooldown on Indom seems excessive, compared to the other two healers, SCH doesn't have a true Medica, not to mention, SCH only has 3 uses of it per minute (give or take) that also compete with other good skills the SCH has access to. I highly doubt this will break the SCH.

    Dissipation changes: Dissipation is garbage. There is literally nothing you can do to convince me otherwise. At best, it's 3 extra Energy Drains. At worse, well, everyone is dead/you're dead and you need stacks now. It really goes against what the SCH wants to do, which is have the fairy for free healing. It even goes against not just the fairy cooldowns, but Seraph and Aetherpact/Fey's Union. My proposed Dissipation changes rolls the effect of Fey's Illumination into it (so it's like WHM wings, reduced damage and increased healing), but it also removes the Aetherflow cost from Lustrate and Indomitability. This allows to spam heals, if needed, and quickly build Fairy Gauge. Speaking of...

    Fairy changes: The fairy is probably the weakest its ever been. For a job that relies on the cooldowns to make up for an innate lack of healing GCDs, the fairy doesn't seem to do enough. The Fairy Gauge also does almost nothing, being tied to two skills, one of which is just a focused Embrace, and the other is an AoE heal that's so hilariously weak, I question why it has both Gauge cost and a 60s cooldown timer. In addition, SCH having access to, not just the fairy, but Whispering Dawn in sub 35 content is absurdly busted. While I doubt I can fix that (seeing as Summon is available at 4), I can at least limit/redistribute the strength. Fairy cooldowns are locked until lv40 when Aetherflow is unlocked since all Fairy cooldowns now cost Fairy gauge. Fey's Blessing will be moved down and buffed in potency as an extra "Medica" for the SCH to have access to as well as removing the cooldown on it. Whispering Dawn will cost 20-40 gauge but also have no cooldown, but Fey's Illumination will be removed since it's getting rolled into Dissipation. Personally, I'd also rather get rid of Aetherpact as it's also not a good skill, imo, but I'd like to see it get replaced by a targeted Regen that costs 20-40 gauge instead. On top of this, when Seraph is active, Fey abilities would cost no Fairy Gauge. This makes the Seraph having its own version of the cooldowns have a reason to exist besides reasons.


    Other ability changes:

    Excogitation: I feel the "raw heal delay bomb" doesn't exactly work that great. Sometimes, it trivializes a tank buster, but then, because of all the shields and healing available to certain jobs *glares angrily at WHM and DRK* the Excog doesn't even go off, and it just becomes a waste of Aetherflow. While I do think the healing effect should stay, I do think it should also play into the SCH's "identity" (and I say this loosely) as a shield healer and also have a minor damage reduction effect tied into it (like 5-10%). It's duration would have to come down to compensate, like 10-15s (or if target is below half health like it currently works), but this way, Lustrate and Excog don't directly compete with each other for Aetherflow stacks and both have very specific uses.

    Emergency Tactics: This feels like a waste of a button right now. Sure, it's better if you cast Succor and those shields aren't going to break in the next 30s, but that situation is so few and far between that it's almost moot. Additionally, because of the changes to Critlo, Emergency Tactics doesn't take Catalyze's shield potency into account. I'd like to see this being a more focused healing tool, by keeping its current effect but increasing the heal amount and reducing MP cost by 15%. We are probably reaching overkill territory, especially coupled with the above changes, but, y'know, let our healing tools actually heal.

    Deployment Tactics: Someone brought this up in a different thread, and I'm inclined to agree that Deployment Tactics feels really underutilized now. While CritloDeploy was absurdly OP in the olden days, nowadays, it feels like a lot of work for something better spent elsewhere. I'm inclined to agree with this becoming something akin to an Aetherflow-based Succor, or at least an extra concentrated heal. This also removes the problem of Galvanize being broken before Catalyze.

    Physick: Buff this things potency, good lord. Like, either make it 500, or make it 450 with a 3-5 second cooldown reduction given to Emergency Tactics. Sure, you don't really want to push Cure 1/Benefic 1, but at least you have a chance of getting something out of it for doing so.

    If SCH is being played as a more ability-focused Healer, I'd like it to play into that idea more, especially with the healing GCDs being the way they are.
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    Last edited by inhaledcorn; 03-03-2020 at 03:36 AM. Reason: extra thoughts

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    "SCH's healing potential is really bad right now."

    Lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by inhaledcorn View Post
    Right now, SCH feels really disjoined in its entire kit, with parts of its kit fighting against each other.
    Ha ha yea!

    On top of that, SCH's healing potential is really bad right now.
    Oh it's gonna be one of those threads. Quotes shortened due to Character limit

    Indomitability is SCH's main form of AoE healing
    Its 2nd worst AoE heal, actually. Soil and Whispering Dawn are better - Both have more potency and Dawn doesn't cost an Energy Drain.

    Dissipation is garbage
    It's 3 free Energy Drains. If you use it smartly, costs you 10 or less embraces

    Dissipation removes the fairy's free healing.
    The strategist healer has a skill that is most effective when planned ahead...

    Dissipation = NoAF Lustrate/Indom
    That would make it the most busted healing skill in the game - akin to if Cure 3 generated Blood lilies. The resources are limited for a reason.

    SCH relies on cooldowns instead of GCDs
    That is every healer, my dude. Every healer prioritises their oGCDs since that means more Glare/Broil/Malefic.

    Fey Union is just force-embrace
    A focused embrace that can have up to 2800pot stored, generating 840pot/minute [i]for free[i/].

    Fey Blessing bad
    I agree that Blessing probably doesn't need a gauge cost, but it's still a bonus 250p heal - stronger than 1 Plenary burst or an uncharged Horoscope.

    fairy rework
    Honestly if you want to make the fairy heal more, go whole hog:
    Gauge generates by AF, but also at-will at the cost of mana
    Embrace is replaced with a cooldowned single-target heal (think fey physik)
    At X gauge, all Fairy heals can be used without a cooldown

    Return Eos to Stormblood (concurrent casting, instant reactions)
    With that, Fey Skills completely replace SCH's GCDs but you actually have mana as a resource to manage.

    Anyway that's too off-topic. Back to responses

    Other ability changes: Excog
    Lustrate and Excog don't compete with each other as Excog has a long CD - lustrate is akin to an emergency heal.
    However, adding a small defense buff (max 5%) to Excog in its current state would work well to SCH's strategising aspect. You'd want Excog to stay active for as long as possible before it does heal.

    Deployment Tactics
    SCH already has an oGCD succor in the form of Consolation.
    Deployment (in the lore) works by piggybacking off an existing spell - so having it restore broken Galvanises (akin to Plenary/Horoscope) in an area around the target would work. Or just let us deploy off of the fairy again

    If SCH is being played as a more ability-focused Healer.
    It is - it has been since Heavensward introducted Indom. All healers are playing like that though, ever since Gordias forced everyone's mindsets into ekeing out the most DPS.
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    I don't mean to be rude but I don't think you have a very good understanding of your job... Also you are a shield healer.. its 'ok' if you don't heal everything.. that's what a co-healer is there for. Your opinions on deployment tactics alone makes me cringe. Its really underutilized because you're not utilizing it... you can deployment tactics EVERY savage fight this raid tier and save you and your co-healer from healing for the first min of the fight. Also it works wonders in cinderdrift... good lord. This is my problem with the fourms.. and you don't like dissipation? Yes, you use it in your opener for Energy Drain spam but you can also use it mid-fight..?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kummies View Post
    Also you are a shield healer..
    That's pretty cringe bro ngl. SCH having bad GCDs doesn't excuse them from oGCD healing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YusiKha View Post
    That's pretty cringe bro ngl. SCH having bad GCDs doesn't excuse them from oGCD healing.
    Maaan.. I indom'd and gave fey blessing don't @ me if we die to raid-wide. Look at the other healer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kummies View Post
    Maaan.. I indom'd and gave fey blessing don't @ me if we die to raid-wide. Look at the other healer.
    Then what you have is a communication problem or a bad cohealer. Which is nothing to do with Shields or Regens.
    As to your 'being fine' with Deployment... It can be only used for free in downtime as it requires you to use a GCD heal beforehand - as well as the target to not have taken damage before you spread it to everyone else.

    Succor = 180+225 shield = 405 heal+shield on everyone
    Dep.Adlo = 300+375 shield = 375 shield on everyone, with a bonus 300 to the target. And requires a further 80pot loss via weaving.

    I can't think of many situations that DeployAdlo is actually better than just casting Succor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YusiKha View Post
    Then what you have is a communication problem or a bad cohealer. Which is nothing to do with Shields or Regens.
    As to your 'being fine' with Deployment... It can be only used for free in downtime as it requires you to use a GCD heal beforehand - as well as the target to not have taken damage before you spread it to everyone else.

    Succor = 180+225 shield = 405 heal+shield on everyone
    Dep.Adlo = 300+375 shield = 375 shield on everyone, with a bonus 300 to the target. And requires a further 80pot loss via weaving.

    I can't think of many situations that DeployAdlo is actually better than just casting Succor.
    Literally before any massive raid wide dmg.. its free. Recitation+Adlo+Deploy. You can use it like a solid 4 times in e7s. Prepull o5s as well as o6s. Like I dont understand the problem.
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    I stopped when OP said SCHs healing capabilities are lacking.
    SCH probably has the best healing kit in the game. If you don't realize that you need to step back and question what you're doing wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry View Post
    I stopped when OP said SCHs healing capabilities are lacking.
    SCH probably has the best healing kit in the game. If you don't realize that you need to step back and question what you're doing wrong.
    They never seem to figure out that Soil is the best oGCD heal in the game, it's unbelievable.
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