It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[SamRF]

No matter how much you attempt to debate or argument the truth away, there is something you cannot hide:

-These topics only seem to pop-up whenever fragile, standard hetero-masculinity is challenged in a way or another.
And the timing of this thread is no coincidence.

You can write 300 more pages of excuses and appeals to "leaving morality and politics out of it" , but the rest of the world is not blind to the real why and how.

I do not care about this option on a personal level, by the way.
But i very much care for the hypocrisy and the not even thinly veiled bigotry that is still rampant around these communities.

You are not fooling anyone, probably not even yourselves.
So at least man/woman up to your beliefs and stick to your guns, but drop the pretense.

Availability heuristic:

The availability heuristic is a mental shortcut that relies on immediate examples that come to a given person's mind when evaluating a specific topic, concept, method or decision. The availability heuristic operates on the notion that if something can be recalled, it must be important, or at least more important than alternative solutions which are not as readily recalled. Subsequently, under the availability heuristic, people tend to heavily weigh their judgments toward more recent information, making new opinions biased toward that latest news.

[Nariel]

What makes the game special and joyful differs by person... an expression of that diversity.

And seing other player as an hindrance sure is a joyfull way of playing a MMO I guess. Isn't asking now to get a serveur tailord to every single personal taste a gain of time ? Rather than asking for those handfull of silly NPC to cater to your view too afterward ?

I'll take a no male limsa , chaotic evil acian plot with ketchup and fries. Oh and no Alphinaud with a double Y'shtola serving for my Scions. I don't like Noctis, so no Noctis haircut please. After all I'm a customer, I should get what I ask for.

The feature itself isn't a problem, creating a precedent for more filter is.

[Lauront]

There are already existing filters in place, concerning mature language, battle effects, the blacklist, and on and on. If there is to be a precedent, it is already set. No one here is under the illusion that simply asking SE for the feature means they have to implement it, but it would be a nice to have. That's all there is to it.

[Ivellior]

A) The RL-argument HAS a point as you deal with REAL people while playing a MMO. Other characters running around as the WoL in FFXIV are no NPCs (apart from bots) but have existing persons behind them. Or do you treat other users on the forum here as if they wouldn't possess real human minds?

I really fail to understand the argument. I mean you deal with people all the time in the game. So? It' a request of a QoL (Quality of Life) feature. Just like the battle effects filter, the profanity filter etc. What does that have to do with people? If I change the color of the names for people in my friends group does that mean I somehow don't treat them as humans? It's not like the turning the glamour off makes them disappear. It doesn't block them from interacting with me or the enviroment, it doesn't affect them or they game in any way. It just makes their gear return to their default look. What exactly is the problem is that?

Using the same logic, if I put someone on my black list because he was spamming on a channel does that mean I am dehumanizing them? Sure I can't do that in RL, it's a QoL feature that the game provides me to make my experience better. Just like toggling off other people's battle effect I wish to toggle off their glamour. I really fail to understand your argument.

Plus, have you ever entered cities with some specific cultures? Or accidentally waltzed into a meeting of Punk- or Goth-fans? Ooor have you ever lightly touched what we Germans call the FKK-scene? In RL, you can also stumble about outfits that make you feel uncomfortable in case you don't share the other's likings. -.-

Yes, these things exist. I can go out and night with my friends, get drunk and have someone throw up on me. That is uncofortable to say the least.... But what does that have to do with asking for a feature?
I turn off other people's battle effects because I find them too grating for my eyes (and for some classes I even turn off even my own battle effects). It's a feature the game provides me to make my experience better. It's uncorfortable for me and the game allows me to turn them off making me enjoy the game more. It doesn't affect anyone.
I want the same thing for glamours. Why is that a problem? It's not like I'm robbing you or something...

B) Wow, you entirely ignore what exactly I was saying. 'Yay', just don't care that I encourage people who wish for the turn-off-option as long as they don't complain about miss-matched-gear-sets. It's so much easier to solely see the criticism-aspect, no?

If that is the case, then I misunderstood and I apologize for it.

[Fayt1203]

Why would it get them to hot water? People make issues about everything. Do you think is hard for people to start complaing that men wearing wedding dreses is distressing for children and cause trouble?

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if children are playing this game then that's on the parent not on the game i would think. this game is not rated for teens for nothing so this is not good example

[Nariel]

There are already existing filters in place, concerning mature language, battle effects, the blacklist, and on and on. If there is to be a precedent, it is already set. No one here is under the illusion that simply asking SE for the feature means they have to implement it, but it would be a nice to have. That's all there is to it.

Exept those filter are here to avoid real problem, pretty much sure the mature language one is a legal issue, battle effect a performance and eyes strain and the blacklist for harrassement/rudeness or to avoid playing with people you reaaaaaaally don't want to cross ever again. They are not primary esthetic issue. I can play tennis with a knife, it don't make it a tennis racket.

[Barachim]

There are already existing filters in place, concerning mature language, battle effects, the blacklist, and on and on. If there is to be a precedent, it is already set. No one here is under the illusion that simply asking SE for the feature means they have to implement it, but it would be a nice to have. That's all there is to it.

Didn't someone mention that there was another MMO which kind of has a similar feature? But I think it wasn't a Glamour ON/OFF toggle, but instead put everyone into default gear, if I read that correctly. Anyone remember what the name of the game was?

[Lauront]

Exept those filter are here to avoid real problem, pretty much sure the mature language one is a legal issue, battle effect a performance and eyes strain and the blacklist for harrassement/rudeness or to avoid playing with people you reaaaaaaally don't want to cross ever again. They are not primary esthetic issue. I can play tennis with a knife, it don't make it a tennis racket.

Yes, they exist for different reasons and can be used for different reasons. That isn't particularly informative, especially when the blacklist feature itself can be used on a very broad basis to just not talk to anyone you don't want to for just about any reason. What I notice with this request, is that there's a lot of trying to dictate which concerns should matter to people and which should not.

In the end, the feature is either feasible or it is not. If SE don't want to add such a feature, fine, but slippery slope arguments are rather weak in this regard, because they always have it within their control to not implement a feature, and this has nothing to do with controlling how the game itself appears to you - only interactions with other players with respect to their glamours, and only from the player's perspective.

[Ivellior]

Exept those filter are here to avoid real problem, pretty much sure the mature language one is a legal issue, battle effect a performance and eyes strain and the blacklist for harrassement/rudeness or to avoid playing with people you reaaaaaaally don't want to cross ever again. They are not primary esthetic issue. I can play tennis with a knife, it don't make it a tennis racket.

This still doesn't provide a valid counter argument though. Not to mention that you are not removing or replacing anything in the game with the toggle. The items just revert to their default skin. Can this really be considered an aesthetic issue? Not to mention all the things mentioned above are QoL features, and so is turning off glamour.

Battle effects (eye strain) can be classified as an aesthetic issue, you can change it.
Changing the player names color can be classified as an aesthetic issue, you can change it.
Changing the chat color can be classified as an aesthetic issue, you can change it.
Chaning the UI can be classified as an aesthetic issue, you can change it.
All of them affect your client and your client only and it doesn't cause any issues. I don't see anyone complaining against them.

[Awha]

You don't have to worry, from the start I have always thought this thread's suggestion was worthless; a stupid feature. People shouldn't be fooled by the size of this thread, I think it's idea and all posts herein are without merit, and half of them I think are literally just to get a rise out of others. I like making stupid replies, nonsensical posts, and ridiculous statements as much as anyone else here, but people need to step back from this thread, and game(s) to reevaluate their online interactions.

Warzones... Oh my God! Those bring back so many memories! A friend and I would queue together, and we were known as being extremely toxic, just as everyone else was toxic with us, we would go in there and outperform most others so we earned that right. We were known on that server for a time, that and a few other extremely toxic pvp clans would see eachother all the time and talk SO MUCH poop to eachother God, those days were hilarious. Made a lot of friends. My friend had to get his name changed a couple time, because people kept reporting him. Never got banned for anything we said. Dude, that and Imperial Fleet my god the chat there. I wonder how many people were like your friends GF and quit over what we said! Haha! I can imagine right now even trying to chat what we did in-game over here... BOOM! Banned!.. Sigh.. Also, I played sage/sorc heals there, just as I play white mage primarily here. Healers would always get focused in warzones.... because they were healers. Where was I going with this again?

Yeah, TOR had an interesting pvp community. I got a lot of shit because I honestly did not care much for objectives I would just go to pad my numbers with friends and when people would call us out we were one of those groups that would ask them to queue 4's, people use to hate going against us because we use to run hard swap comps, or double AP cheese. Fleet was always fun people would take things extremely personal.

Also in the grand scheme I am sure most the people that are for the idea can live without the idea, and probably for the most part did not even consider it as a possible idea from the beginning.From the start I knew this would never happened and have just been talking about it because I personally do view the reasoning behind why some people that are against it as odd to say the least. For most I do think this thread was simply an interesting conversation point, but it turned into something else as the time went on.

Easy solution for this matter is answering a simple question:

Do you have in RL the courage to approach a stranger on the street and tell them "Please, get dressed properly, because I can't stand your current outfit." (or something similar matching your personality)?

For all the brave souls responding with "Yes!", I'd say you deserve the option to turn off glamour on other players.

For those who don't have the courage, though...
You cannot click your fingers and magically make a horrible outfit of another person disappear in RL, so why should you have that ability in a game, when you're unable to even ask another human being in front of you to do something about their look?

In general, from my own perspective, the thing about glamour is how you express yourself - same goes for clothes in RL, thus I don't find it really fair to ignore other people's efforts just because some players let their characters wear questionable outfits. I for one see thousands of beautiful glamours, while only crossing paths with very bad ideas once or twice a month, which is why I wouldn't use that option even if it existed. -.-

Also, for everybody who'd like to have the option:
You DO realize, that people wear sometimes stuff that isn't entirely the same set, yes? Miss-matched outfits would be something you'd often have to see when turning off glamour; ergo, that'll be something you better shouldn't complain about. But in case staying tame would be no problem for you, I hope SE hears your wish and implements it in the future. =U.U=

In the end I personally try to keep the game world and the real world as far apart as possible, hell I get annoyed when I have guildies talk about work and shit in chat. IRL I deal with a lot of weird shit due to various reasons, and in the game world I view it just as that the game world which has different norms, and customs. I do get annoyed when people project RL issues into the game world, since I perosnally play this game to avoid the real world I get enough of that daily. Granted I still avoid people like the plague in this game, because I generally cannot stand people and this notion has gotten me in trouble ever since I was a child since I would be that person that made comments about what people wore, acted, etc . . . in public. I do not have much of an impulse control sometimes my girl has to hit me under the table or slap upside my head when we are in public cause I lack tact at times.

Though in RL I can see that as a issue, in a game I cannot since we are using the game for different reasons but at the core I am sure many of us are using it as a form of entertainment and I do not view characters as people even if someone is controlling them behind the scenes I do not think ones character has personal rights so to speak. That is probably why when I started to online gaming and people would tell me to kill myself, or made fun of my voice or mocked my way of speech I just shrugged it off because I was taught to not view online interaction is a proper medium for personal interaction. That is probably also why I feel more comfortable in an online game because at the core unless I break the law I can always hit the reset button and have another wack at it. I was permanently banned from a game for abusing an invisible / non target glitch and showed a bunch of people how to do it and we would run around and kill people for days and they could only damage us with AoE, and at the time AoE was not as prevalent.

In my opinion cannot see a game world as the real world because the game world lacks real consequences, and when people take things that are said and done in a game personally due to irl reasons that is silly imo. Hell people like to throw around sperg an use autism as an insult and my people that know me tell others to chill with it, and I am fine with it because it is just a game. Though when people try to use that as an insult at me irl then I annoyed. So for me irl and the game world are two different things.

In the end I am all for more options that can enhance personal experience of players, if someone wants to an option to hide the true master race, then I say go for it I will not mind. In the in more contorl players have over what they see and interact with maybe just maybe we could limit the unpleasant interactions people have that lead to drama around outcry in the game world.