It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Ivellior]

I feel like it would take less resources to implement feature that gives same basic armor to everyone instead of showing unglamoured gear. Don't know how the engine works though and am no expert on code.

That shouldn't be the case. They kept saying that they have a limit on inventory/glamour etc because they need to move the item (and glamoured items) info while moving from area to area (ie from server to server - instances and stuff are on a different server). Since the original item is already loaded it should be more efficient than loading an entire new default cloathing item.

Edit: If I recall correctly that was the reason it took so long to add glamours (it wasn't on release it was added later). It has been very long though so I could be remembering it wrongly.

[Lauront]

Not wanting to see a man in a dress isn't bigotry. Advocating for a way to essentially delete them from your presence is bigotry.

Just because a person may be unaware that you have entirely removed the defining style choices for their character doesn't make the sentiment behind it any less awful. It simply allows a person to be intolerant without repercussions.

There is a vast difference between disliking something and wanting to find a way to completely remove any trace of it.

I completely understand not wanting to see something you consider lore breaking, but there is nothing lore breaking about a person wearing a dress.

It's still not "bigotry". You can throw the word out as much as you like, but it just resolves to different tastes. No one is "deleting" anything - it is simply being removed from the view of the person enacting the block.

You're playing word games and little more.

As for what is lore breaking or not, that is very much a question of immersion, and is in the eye of the beholder. You are not the arbiter of that.

[Arillyn]

I'm not too worried about the idea of people quitting over strangers no longer being able to see their glamour. A lot of the people who swore up and down that they were going to quit over the lack of male viera, for instance, continued to play the game and even purchased Shadowbringers. It's usually a hollow threat.

By that same token I'm not too worried about people quitting over not being able to hide other people's glamours. The glamour system has been in place for years. I think it's working the way SE intended.

[Theodric]

I feel like it would take less resources to implement feature that gives same basic armor to everyone instead of showing unglamoured gear. Don't know how the engine works though and am no expert on code.

You're correct! Such a feature also existed at one point already - during the period of the game where PvP had no glamour whatsoever. So the technology has already been developed. It has also been used to adjust quest gear during certain quests.

By that same token I'm not too worried about people quitting over not being able to hide other people's glamours. The glamour system has been in place for years. I think it's working the way SE intended.

I haven't seen a single person say that they're going to quit if the feature isn't implemented, though.

[Lauront]

That shouldn't be the case. They kept saying that they have a limit on inventory/glamour etc because they need to move the item (and glamoured items) info while moving from area to area (ie from server to server - instances and stuff are on a different server). Since the original item is already loaded it should be more efficient than loading an entire new default cloathing item.

Edit: If I recall correctly that was the reason it took so long to add glamours (it wasn't on release it was added later). It has been very long though so I could be remembering it wrongly.

I just wonder how it would functionally differ from simply drawing from a single glamour plate in that case. It may be a bit less resource-efficient than reverting to the default gear, but not by much.

The truth is though, we're just speculating on the resource requirements of it. It could range from trivially simple to implement, to very difficult. Without an answer from the devs on that, we just have guesswork that doesn't really amount to much.

[Arillyn]

You're correct! Such a feature also existed at one point already - during the period of the game where PvP had no glamour whatsoever. So the technology has already been developed. It has also been used to adjust quest gear during certain quests.



I haven't seen a single person say that they're going to quit if the feature isn't implemented, though.

I'm not reading through the entire thread, but I'm just saying it works both ways. I honestly think that SE would say the glamour system is working as intended and would see no need to implement this. I actually think they would say no to implementing this because of the "morality" arguments. I'm not getting into those, I can just see SE saying no because of them. While I am leaning more and more to just no on this topic, if SE were to implement it, I wouldn't use it and just move on. I'm not that fussed about it.

As for the PVP not showing glamours, yes it did exist but it wasn't optional. It was just what it was so people could see the tanks, healers, etc. I don't know that they would have the ability to turn that option on or off per player in open world and/or instances. If it is an all or nothing than i REALLY don't want it implemented. I actually like seeing people's glamours. There are many nice and cool looking ones.

[Lauront]

In which case, you wouldn't need to use it, and would be none the wiser!

The "morality" arguments here don't amount to much - just some people shouting down others as "bigots" on refrain because not everyone shares the same tastes/wants to see the same things. Again, they faced a far worse issue with the male Viera and female Hrothgar, and yet proceeded to restrict the races nonetheless, with the negative "fallout" not even putting a dent in ShB.

[kujoestars]

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For starters, you only actually see words if you’re interacting with someone or standing near them when they say stuff out loud, or if you’re associated with them like in an FC/Party/Linkshell/etc. So, yeah, you can legit avoid it by looking away or leaving. But you seem to be conveniently ignoring what I said about players and their words being out of SE’s control?

Gear is in SE’s control so they have no need to put in filters because that’s exactly what they want people to see whether people glamour or not. You see THEIR content. Words on the other hand are not things they can control so they have to put in filters lest it become associated with them. Otherwise the filter would be applicable to NPC lines; whatever is an acceptable PG-13 curse is already decided by SE and therefore what they show you is what they want you to see.

In that same vein, if SE is letting people cross-dress or go nude, it’s because they intended it. Profanity on the other hand, comes purely from players.

On coding, did you even freaking read my entire post or did you just cherry pick things you know how to argue with? Because neither you nor anyone else have actually provided a solution that isn’t going to end up displeasing someone. And if you know anything about even basic coding, you’d know filtering words is a completely different animal from filtering art. Just look at Tumblr and it’s horrible disaster of a “Safe Mode”.

Heck, I regularly see awful fetish art and even some nsfw on Google images slipping through the cracks. That’s exactly how impossible it is to filter images perfectly. First of all, for “block specific gear”, you’d be relying on tags, which are, you guessed it! Words! And second, for “block individual glams” it would get pretty taxing on a server if it has to track every save state of every person who’s blocked specific outfits.

People can get away with mods because mods don’t affect the server at large. But if the server is what’s micromanaging what people see to the same degree, that’s going to be hell on server resources.

I also legit inserted generic outfit as a possibility and said that people are still not going to like whatever it is. Short of junking the whole set, you’re not going to be able to guarantee it won’t look jarring af. And do y’all REALLY want to throw out babies with bathwaters just to avoid one (1) piece of the glam? Answer honestly.

Best alternate solution I can think of is replacing nude models with simply clothed models so that when you go naked, you see clothes just like when you have retainers naked. But then that has the same issue of looking jarring.

Anyways, I’m just gonna say this topic is stupid and needs to die. If SE can figure out how to implement this and willing to, fine then. If not, it’s ain’t ever gonna happen. Let’s just freaking agree to disagree and drop it because we’ve beaten this dead horse to paste.

[Penthea]

I wasn't particularly speaking about screenshots, but hanging out in common areas in general. While I absolutely cannot expect people running through town to constantly fit my personal story, I'd love to eliminate certain very jarring visuals from charging through my RP sitdowns.

Hiding glam is not going to fix disruption in rp.

I used to rp in mmos before and honestly I wish glam was the height of my issues. We had people stand on top of us, dance, emote spam, spam the chat with nonsense to make the chat harder to read, bring their friends over so we were overrun with people, cast aoe on top of us...very often the only way we could get some peace was by leaving. Sure we reported these people but some were far more subtle about their disruptions (like standing on top of us and then pretending to go afk) and it didn't come under being considered an offence.

[Granyala]

Hiding glam is not going to fix disruption in rp.

I used to rp in mmos before and honestly I wish glam was the height of my issues. We had people stand on top of us, dance, emote spam, spam the chat with nonsense to make the chat harder to read, bring their friends over so we were overrun with people, cast aoe on top of us...very often the only way we could get some peace was by leaving. Sure we reported these people but some were far more subtle about their disruptions (like standing on top of us and then pretending to go afk) and it didn't come under being considered an offence.

Yeah I've witnessed it all too. You make a little camp fire and sit down ... suddenly the morons come out of the woodwork.
Some people seem to be really triggered by players RPing. It's weird.
Our solution always was to stay away from crowded areas and move what is said to private channels.