Revelations from Patch 5.2

[KageTokage]

On a subject relating to the 5.2 MSQ...

Could it be assumed that Elidibus awakened that Sahagin priest's Echo in the same way he seemingly did for the people of the Crystarium?

That's something that's been rather vague for a long time, so finally having a proper explanation for it is rather nice.

I'm still curious as to how they go about "raising up" individuals to become Ascians though, as Emet Selch mentioned only overlords like him were capable of such, and it obviously involves more then simply awakening one's Echo.

It honestly would not surprise me if our new mystery Ascian who's helping Zenos is someone familiar who was given that treatment after their presumed demise.

[Alleo]

On a subject relating to the 5.2 MSQ...

Could it be assumed that Elidibus awakened that Sahagin priest's Echo in the same way he seemingly did for the people of the Crystarium?

That's something that's been rather vague for a long time, so finally having a proper explanation for it is rather nice.

I'm still curious as to how they go about "raising up" individuals to become Ascians though, as Emet Selch mentioned only overlords like him were capable of such, and it obviously involves more then simply awakening one's Echo.

It honestly would not surprise me if our new mystery Ascian who's helping Zenos is someone familiar who was given that treatment after their presumed demise.

About your points

Hm I always thought that the other sundered main acians are just the souls of the past ones? Like if one soul shard is destroyed they just go to the other shards and wait until that soul is reborn...I do wonder though if they are still tempered then or if they need to be tempered again.

It could be that the lesser Ascians are echo users who sided with them.

Edens Verse:

Was anyone else.....extremely disappointed with E8's setup? It felt completely contrived to me. I don't understand why Ryne getting possessed by Shiva couldn't have been an unintended side effect of our memories of Ysayle forming the summoning. Because I don't believe for a second that anyone, let alone Urianger of all people, would allow Ryne to do this. Just because she's a strong independent girl yadda yadda doesn't mean you have to let her do every little idea she gets...especially, you know, willingly letting the [Oracle of Light] succumb to a primal. That's a fantastic idea...potentially cause another Flood as we see in the fight. Her reasoning felt so vague too...she wanted to do it to guide Eden? Well she immediately failed to control Shiva anyway. So if they don't bring up this "guiding Eden" thing ever again - if it's so important as to risk the entire shard and everything we've worked for - I'm going to be extremely unimpressed. I'm fine with suspending disbelief, I was fine with us bringing the primals back from similarly vague notions, but holy hell this one completely soured that last fight for me. I just couldn't get into the emotions because it broke everything I expected of our characters.

I know that might sound melodramatic, and I love this game to bits, but by simply making Ryne's possession unintentional it would've been far more believable. I just can't buy it at all.

About Eden

I agree with your view. I also did not understand why it was necessary for her to do that. (And do they really want to leave Eden behind and let him do its own thing?) Especially since we do know that such a summon can end in death..it would have made more sense if it was an accident..she already lost it right after the transformation and this in turn should have made Eden trust her less..yet that seemingly is no problem. At least Thancred had something against it, Urianger seems to be quite fine with a lot of dangerous stuff..like us fighting two primals at once.

I am also not a fan that we needed Gaias help here..and that at the end we only had the chance to say: Ryne you did great, it was all thanks to Gaia and oh I suck at thinking about primals...what? Yes Ryne did a good job at it and Gaia was a help at the end but most of it was again done by us..its sad that we could not just say: Each one of us played an important part in it..