Thread: Revelations from Patch 5.2

Originally Posted by EdwinLi

Honestly, the whole Qitari storyline is probably going to end up revealing that it was "Both" options in the reality things.

From how I see the Qitari storyline, the actual history is that it was both options but at a certain order of events which I am only guessing...

1st choice) The Good option happened first but at some point in their service thing changed to the Bad option.

2nd choice) the Bad option happened first due to lack of understanding but then the Good option happened once they got to know each other.

In the reality of things (from how I see it), both son and father are both right but due to lack of resources to restore both Historical records we are forced to choose which part of the actual history they should remember.

The problem is even that is more nuanced than what we get from father and son.

Again, my issue is not that the father takes a pessimistic view of history, and the son takes an optimistic view. It's that they take their respective views because that's what they want to convey to people now, rather than what they actually think happened.

Reading the justifications from both father and son (the father more so), they're both trying to present an interpretation of history that is intended to push their own broader philosophies. Taking the Viis encounter stela as an example, the father says that he prefers the interpretation that the Viis and Qitari had a bad first meeting, because that would make their current good relations "more meaningful". Not because some small detail in the discovered stela implied that interpretation, or he had corroborating evidence; just that his reading would fit his worldview better.

Originally Posted by LineageRazor

I was leery about the whole thing, at first, but...

I felt a bit better about it when the following quest mentioned that after I'd made my decision, further excavations provided evidence to support the claim I'd chosen. So, it's not that I'm creating a false history for the Qitari, but rather that I have super intuition, able to piece together amazingly accurate predictions from small amounts of evidence. The history is real, but SE has given the player a choice as to WHICH history is real. Essentially, the player is being given a chance to help write the backstory for the Qitari.

I can understand this sitting wrong with some people. To lore-minded folks, this might look like the writers don't really care - that the "real, true" history of the Qitari is so unimportant that they're willing to let the players decide what they want. I don't see it that way, but I could see where others might.

The bad thing is they say this no matter what choice you do. This was probably to not make people feel bad for their choice but in the end both cant be real. I really wished we could have gone a neutral way or maybe "let us decide later when we have more information" way..

Originally Posted by EdwinLi

Honestly, the whole Qitari storyline is probably going to end up revealing that it was "Both" options in the reality things.

From how I see the Qitari storyline, the actual history is that it was both options but at a certain order of events which I am only guessing...

1st choice) The Good option happened first but at some point in their service thing changed to the Bad option.

2nd choice) the Bad option happened first due to lack of understanding but then the Good option happened once they got to know each other.

In the reality of things (from how I see it), both son and father are both right but due to lack of resources to restore both Historical records we are forced to choose which part of the actual history they should remember.

If they wanted to tie both of them together, this would be the best way to do it. It shows that there's a grey area to everything. People can be cruel, people can be nice. Circumstances can change, and those change how we interact with people.

Another Qitari rep quest later and oh look how convenient that all the evidence happens to support the choice you picked. What a farce. No doubt they're just twisting the facts to fit their conclusion anyway.

Originally Posted by Alleo

New Qitari quest

Because as far as they (and we know) its the only left source of information about their past. With dinosaurs you might be able to find more hidden around the world (and yet that is even not guaranteed because a lot is destroyed). Here there is only that one continent left and seemingly the woods are the place where they lived. There is probably nearly a 0% chance to collect more that are also showing exactly that situation.

Maybe they should have let us see the stones and then we would have a convinient echo vision and see the past which is the reason why the serpent want us to decide..because we have the tool to look at the past.

That's the key here "as far as we know" I understand from a lore point this may be annoying, but history is almost always told by the winners. That history changes as later generations come back and research it, and can change again.

What I'm saying is that the beast tribe isn't just about "accurate history" it could be later - who knows. I've already past the newest part you just did (since beast tribe resets are at a later time and can technically pick up the quests and hold 3 but anyways). The whole part of the MSQ was also giving some kind of insight about history as well specially with the Ronkan scene.

The only difference is we happen to be witness to it and to a degree we "change it" because of our choices. This history would have been written anyway without our agency.

With Dinosaurs you mentioning about 1 area and them being the only place to find it STILL applies here. We may never have all the information of various species that have come and gone. That's just how life is.

I stopped viewing it as a point in being extremely accurate as it's just coming across that the real lesson as how history is just told. I mean even with the NPCs dialog - we take it as fact because they spoke it (in EVERY scenario - not just this beast tribe). From that standpoint it's actually gotten me to appreciate and enjoy the beast tribe a bit more seeing it from that aspect.

..and that's why the dialogue when we see

Tiuna's tomb

is truly special.

About a certain Eden fight

Yesterday I have read a reddit post and honestly I agree with it. The shiva fight was not only strange to me because I see no good reason why Ryne needed to be in that much danger and that Urianger even agreed with it..and I also did not like that it was her face on all of that or that Gaia swooped in to save her..

But the biggest disappointment was that this robbed us of any nice drama with Ysayle. People have speculated before that this fight would probably be a gut punch because they would probably do something with her and maybe even Haurchefant. Instead we have Ryne taking over that and it took all of the sadness away. The only primal fight where we truly had some connections to it and we got it exchanged for that.