Thread: Revelations from Patch 5.2

Honestly, the whole Qitari storyline is probably going to end up revealing that it was "Both" options in the reality things.

From how I see the Qitari storyline, the actual history is that it was both options but at a certain order of events which I am only guessing...

1st choice) The Good option happened first but at some point in their service thing changed to the Bad option.

2nd choice) the Bad option happened first due to lack of understanding but then the Good option happened once they got to know each other.

In the reality of things (from how I see it), both son and father are both right but due to lack of resources to restore both Historical records we are forced to choose which part of the actual history they should remember.

Originally Posted by YianKutku

The problem is even that is more nuanced than what we get from father and son.

Again, my issue is not that the father takes a pessimistic view of history, and the son takes an optimistic view. It's that they take their respective views because that's what they want to convey to people now, rather than what they actually think happened.

Reading the justifications from both father and son (the father more so), they're both trying to present an interpretation of history that is intended to push their own broader philosophies. Taking the Viis encounter stela as an example, the father says that he prefers the interpretation that the Viis and Qitari had a bad first meeting, because that would make their current good relations "more meaningful". Not because some small detail in the discovered stela implied that interpretation, or he had corroborating evidence; just that his reading would fit his worldview better.

I believe that is part of the point for this Beast tribe quest storyline being History is not writen through actual events but by people's views of or needs about those Events supported by what certain amount of information they can find and/or choose to make public.

The focus on this Beast Tribe storyline is not about finding the Actual History but it is about how History is writen by the people who record it. We can never know the actual history about what happened during those times because we are not alive during those days nor there even if it was recent events thus the result of what is remember in history is given to the people who chosen to write it or report it to the people alive today.

The things they write in records for future and current generation to remember can be changed, misinterpreted, and/or altered to fit a person's own beliefs, needs, and/or limited information.

Heck the History we know ourselves as we grew up in the place we live in today may change as well if new information about the past events are found or they may not even if those information are found due to people choosing to make that knowledge public to give us more pieces of the actual or what they interpreted it in history or keep it a secret for REASONS.

The other part, well it relates to the MSQ in a way about how the New Life created by Hydaelyn can't "remember" their past properly and even if they remember it is through only selective interpretations which we see a lot through the MSQ since 2.0.

Originally Posted by Wyssahtyn

Another Qitari rep quest later and oh look how convenient that all the evidence happens to support the choice you picked. What a farce. No doubt they're just twisting the facts to fit their conclusion anyway.

Isn't that the case with most history? - Science too. People form theories but then later researches change. Who is to say that wouldn't be the case with future Generations? They're a pretty short lived species so I can't exactly be upset about this quest line.

Look at Dinosaurs and Human Evolution :P
There was A LOT of political backlash on Human Evolution (I don't mean just the religious aspects - even science had their own set of politics with data theory)

Qitari /10char

I liked Quinfort's idea of an ancient underground Namazu kingdom the most lol

I do wonder at what point we'll move on from the stelae; the patch trailer showed a Qitari at the big egg/fruit by Lake Tusi Mekta, and it started glowing.

New Qitari quest

And now we kinda choose if the Qitari were responsible for the Namazu to die or not.

I guess I also understood why it annoys me so much. Every choice we do decreases the chances to get more information about that time and about those people in the story. Because each information would have to be written with our choices in mind since we are the one that discovered the past. If they had made one at the beginning and the rest will happen according to that they might still write around it. But now people can choose it with each single one. They can be 100% positive and thus a whole beast tribe survives or they can be completely negative and the story of the Qitari is kinda bitter. Or they can even choose wildly between that. I think its kinda a big deal if one tribe died because of the actions of the Qitari or not. That is not easily written different.

It also makes it harder to talk about the lore because there is no 100% truth to it. Everyone has their own outcome and everyone is right in theirs but also wrong because others got other "truths".

Honestly I wished they would not have done it. It does not make the story better for me.

Originally Posted by QT_Melon

Isn't that the case with most history? - Science too. People form theories but then later researches change. Who is to say that wouldn't be the case with future Generations? They're a pretty short lived species so I can't exactly be upset about this quest line.

Because as far as they (and we know) its the only left source of information about their past. With dinosaurs you might be able to find more hidden around the world (and yet that is even not guaranteed because a lot is destroyed). Here there is only that one continent left and seemingly the woods are the place where they lived. There is probably nearly a 0% chance to collect more that are also showing exactly that situation.

Maybe they should have let us see the stones and then we would have a convinient echo vision and see the past which is the reason why the serpent want us to decide..because we have the tool to look at the past.