Holy now a bannable spell.

[Saefinn]

Also, calling this harassment is pathetic.

If it was being used to harass or as part of their harassment of another player then they've not been banned for spamming holy. Spam is one method people use to troll, which for example, is a common method used by people who troll RPers. In that context, I think punishment is necessary. It can be very disruptive of things like RP.

And sure it could have been nothing too bad as far as harassment goes, but why go out of your way to be an a***? if that catches up to you, then it's your fault for being an a***. I don't think the punishment was even harsh, the guy couldn't play the game for 3 days, it's not like its a long or permanent ban.

The intent here is the problem, not the action. People who followed the reddit side of this story established that this guy was harassing somebody who asked them to stop. If people aren't going to stop harassing you then it's acceptable for them to report for harassment. If the person has previous offenses then of course their punishment will be harsher, which was the case, else he might have just got a warning.


At the end of the day the GM's have to discourage bad behaviour, players who go out of their way to antagonise other players rightfully should be discouraged because that is bad behaviour and I expect SE are against it because if they held a lax stance it'd create for more of a toxic atmosphere, which is what happens in communities where it is more lax. No matter how big or small you think the action was, that's what the player seemingly was doing judging by the rest of the story. GM's can warn against it, but if they are a repeat offender and this guy was, then don't be surprised that they follow through.

But it's really easy to avoid this kind of result. Just don't go out of your way to antagonise people.

[SinisterJoints]

Also, calling this harassment is pathetic.

Why is it pathetic?

You know whats pathetic? Running around spamming holy in main cities. You know what also is pathetic? Defending this behavior.

[Bsrking5]

This thread is still going?

And yet you can't help but come back, now why is that?

[Saefinn]

And yet you can't help but come back, now why is that?

I'm just surprised that so many people take things at face value and overreacting thinking they can get banned for using holy. And that after so many showing how it might not be the whole story and then people show up saying there is another side to the story.

Yet, people still seem to think it's about using spamming holy and not question that the OP only shows a part of the story. It's all rather circular.

This is why fake news and general misinformation is so effective. People don't question the story they're presented if it sounds right to them and not try to get the full story or take it with a pinch of salt.

But at least now, we've got some people trying to address the other points, so since my posting that, there's actually progress. Like what constitutes as harassment and whether people should be punished for mild forms of it, that's where the discussion should be.

[Jamein]

Why is it pathetic?

You know whats pathetic? Running around spamming holy in main cities. You know what also is pathetic? Defending this behavior.

Because it demeans actual harassment when people call something that is no more than a mild annoyance, 'harassment'.
People need to stop being so sensitive.
I'm also not defending his behaviour, I simply said its not a banworthy offense as its a slipperly slope to ban someone for a minor annoyance, as there are plenty of things in this game that other players do that are annoying, but we don't ban them for it nor should we.
So yes, its pathetic that people are so thin skinned that they would define something as ridiculous as this as harassment, especially when its so easily switched off.

[Bright-Flower]

It was a three day suspension, it's not like he was kicked from the game entirely. And a good chance there were prior offenses with the punishment given out. We don't know for sure if the account had prior warnings or not.

[SinisterJoints]

Because it demeans actual harassment when people call something that is no more than a mild annoyance, 'harassment'.
People need to stop being so sensitive.
I'm also not defending his behaviour, I simply said its not a banworthy offense as its a slipperly slope to ban someone for a minor annoyance, as there are plenty of things in this game that other players do that are annoying, but we don't ban them for it nor should we.
So yes, its pathetic that people are so thin skinned that they would define something as ridiculous as this as harassment, especially when its so easily switched off.

I can switch you off? I can make you stop following me ? Doesn't matter if I blacklist you and turn spells off. I SHOULDN'T HAVE TOO! I shouldn't have to change how I see and hear the game just to get rid of 1 annoying person that WILL NOT STOP. Nobody should have to go through great lengths to stop being "annoyed" because once you hit that point. It becomes harassment.

Its not a slippery slope, its quite cut and dry. So yea, it's pathetic you still defend it.

[Saefinn]

It was a three day suspension, it's not like he was kicked from the game entirely. And a good chance there were prior offenses with the punishment given out. We don't know for sure if the account had prior warnings or not.

He had a prior one on his account, he admitted to it in the log. Which is why I expect on this occasion his warning was escalated to a ban.


I can understand a 3 day ban is harsh for a first offense, but IMO reasonable for a second as a 3 day ban isn't much of a punishment. I expect in terms of harassment it was minor. But he shouldn't go around antagonising players, guy just got caught doing what he shouldn't because he found somebody who'd report it.

[Osteichthyes]

How about...we just don't be a**holes to each other? Is that asking for too much?
How about we all just play the game?
If your fun in the game is spamming holy in town, maybe find another game to play or a bit?
The quality of people in this game is really starting to go down. Thankfully this is overwhelming minority, but it is on the rise.

[Commander_Justitia]

People still think he got banned for spamming holy after 30 pages kekw
People still think banning for holy spam is right, even though it never happened
Guess what, gamemasters will decide if something is worth a ban and doesn't matter how much your feelings are hurt by it. It is not harassment only because you don't like to see something.