Holy now a bannable spell.

[Saefinn]

This thread is still going?

[SinisterJoints]

If you spam something enough for people to report you- you probably were doing it to harass someone. What other reason exactly would you have to be spamming holy in a city other than to bug people anyway?

If your goal is solely to go out and bother people, frankly I don't care what you're doing cuz it seems like you're trying to get banned.

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All of you saying "its dumb" aren't using your brains. There is absolutely ZERO reason to use holy in a city. The person was clearly TRYING to annoy people, which is guess what? Harassment.....

pretty light show I mean if you don't want to see it don't sit there and watch it its your own fault if your being "spammed by a spell effect"

Or how about you go take your character to your house and spam it there, away from the horde of people

"Spamming" an ability is not the same as spamming. Spamming is spamming a chat. Repeating something over and over again. Using an ability over and over again is not "spamming" in that sense. Or, are you saying I can now legit report WHM that holy "spam" during trash pulls... or Bards that spam quick nock because its "Spamming"

Yes, it actually is! What are you trying to Stun and Damage in Limsa? ORIGHT, NOTING. So chain casting Holy in a city over and over again is indeed SPAMMING

Difference in what happened and what you are so ungodly exaggerating is one is a COMBAT ZONE one IS NOT. Stop reaching

[SinisterJoints]

If you don't like how a spot looks and the people acting there like using abilitys then move go to ul'dah or any other down or go to a diffrent area on the map not going to feel sorry for someone who choices to stand in a spot then say "thats spam" thats like the dumbest thing in the world like might as well go take a selfie with a shark.

or just report the people acting like kids?

Why cant the person spamming be considerate of others and NOT SPAM A BIG GIANT LOUD OBNOXIOUS SPELL OVER... and OVER.... and OVER.... and OVER.... and Over... and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....

[SuperZay]

Annoying Holy spam? No sympathy.

[SinisterJoints]

or just report the people acting like kids?

Why cant the person spamming be considerate of others and NOT SPAM A BIG GIANT LOUD OBNOXIOUS SPELL OVER... and OVER.... and OVER.... and OVER.... and Over... and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....and over....

even if you somehow argue that spamming holy was wrong, the punishment is too harsh. a warning would've sufficed

How was the punishment too much, this was his second offense. You do know that penalties get worse the more infractions you have ya? Thats what happened here.

[raerae]

i can get banned for spamming holy in a city but i can also get banned for telling the healer in my dungeon to stop spamming cure 1 and do something else :/

[Saefinn]

How was the punishment too much, this was his second offense. You do know that penalties get worse the more infractions you have ya? Thats what happened here.

Not only this but according to people who seemed to watch this story on Reddit the guy was spamming to try and harass somebody even after they asked him to stop. Sure that person could have turned off the effects or gone somewhere else, but people shouldn't harass either, it's also against the TOS, if permitted always for a more toxic environment, it's also something SE is cracking down on and there honestly is no reason to harass except to be an a-hole.

Add that it's second offense. A 3 day suspension is not THAT harsh. It's not much of a punishment as is, but when people are repeat offenders then bigger deterrants are needed.

I still find it ridiculous people are still thinking that you can get banned for spamming holy. When actually it would need more than JUST a holy spam to do that.

[Jamein]

If we are banning for spamming Holy I would also like to Ban all of those bards in Limsa spamming their songs.
Also the people spamming Emotes during their ERP sessions.
I mean I know I could turn all that off in chat but apparently thats not a valid excuse so ban them.
I'd like to point out so many white knights sit around saying people should be able to play thier own way when it comes to people doing ridiculous rotations in dungeons, but when its something that annoys them, BAN PLZ.

So if we are now banning people for things that annoy you but that you could actively and easily avoid then my list is as follows:

Bards playing Song macros for hours at a time.
Emote spam in Limsa.
Changing Glamours/classes the sound being spammed annoys me too.
Doing 20 DPS.

See, it all sounds stupid, just like banning someone for holy spamming is.

Also, calling this harassment is pathetic.

[Canada_bangs]

If we are banning for spamming Holy I would also like to Ban all of those bards in Limsa spamming their songs.
Also the people spamming Emotes during their ERP sessions.
I mean I know I could turn all that off in chat but apparently thats not a valid excuse so ban them.
I'd like to point out so many white knights sit around saying people should be able to play thier own way when it comes to people doing ridiculous rotations in dungeons, but when its something that annoys them, BAN PLZ.

So if we are now banning people for things that annoy you but that you could actively and easily avoid then my list is as follows:

Bards playing Song macros for hours at a time.
Emote spam in Limsa.
Changing Glamours/classes the sound being spammed annoys me too.
Doing 20 DPS.

See, it all sounds stupid, just like banning someone for holy spamming is.

Also, calling this harassment is pathetic.

Why do people go to the most insane extreme in these kinds of debates? He clearly was spamming holy in the city, and was asked to stop by a few people. Why are we defending holy spam in a city? Would you go to your local mall and spam screaming? It's not hurting anyone right? so you can do it right? I mean you CAN, but you WILL be asked to stop and if you don't you WILL be going on a date with some form of a cop. It's the same with spamming. Most people don't report holy spam and thats fair, but also most people don't spam holy for that long either. If you're going around spamming it to someone who clearly doesn't want you to spam it in their face and you keep doing it? Guess what.. That is harassment.

[Jamein]

Why do people go to the most insane extreme in these kinds of debates? He clearly was spamming holy in the city, and was asked to stop by a few people. Why are we defending holy spam in a city? Would you go to your local mall and spam screaming? It's not hurting anyone right? so you can do it right? I mean you CAN, but you WILL be asked to stop and if you don't you WILL be going on a date with some form of a cop. It's the same with spamming. Most people don't report holy spam and thats fair, but also most people don't spam holy for that long either. If you're going around spamming it to someone who clearly doesn't want you to spam it in their face and you keep doing it? Guess what.. That is harassment.

None of those were extreme sure the emote and class change was exaggerating, the DPS and bard song spam wasn't though, they are things that annoy me, just like the holy spam annoyed people.

However the reason why i went that far was because its an utterly ridiculous reason to ban, was he annoying? Sure probably was, at the same time so are plenty of things in this game but we don't expect them to dish out bans for it.

Harassment
Aggresive pressure or intimidation.

No its not 'harassment' its annoying, lets not take things to the extreme as you so delicately put we aren't 3 years old and hopefully people have skin thicker than tissue paper. He isn't causing physical harm or is a threat or causing emotional distress, its literally just an annoyance and one that is easily fixed by in-game means. A fly buzzing around your head is an annoyance, it isn't harrassing you.

I am not denying that the guy probably is a pain, i am just saying that if we are banning for things that are annoying I have a whole list of things if we are going down that route.